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    CLUB CHAMPS on the go at the moment.

    Champions from each regional franchise is there. Basically all universities these days. I would probably say only Cape Town and Durban have clubs as the strongest teams but UCT/UWC are competitive in Cape Town. Old Eds used to be the powerhouses in Joburg but UJ very much the power there now but were beaten by Pukke in the Lions final.

    COBRAS : Stellenbosch University (Maties) - Vasconcelos, Simmonds, Glover + other Boland players Gafieldien, Mehl, Botha
    WARRIORS : University of Fort Hare - Nqolo of Warriors
    DOLPHINS : Crusaders - no one really of note
    KNIGHTS : University of Free State (Kovsies) - Du Plooy , van Tonder, Whitehead
    LIONS : University of Potch (Pukke) - J.Malan, A.Malan, Lubbe, Ackerman (North West team basically)
    TITANS : University of Pretoria (Tuks) - Hermann, de Zorzi, H. Klaasen, Kaber , van Buuren, de Swardt, M.Pretorius, Trumpelmann (lot of Northerns boys plus SA 'A' Klaasen)
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    I never know how this becomes an article and/or thing... did he really think he would make the squad? He has been given opportunity in the past did not take it. Has performed poorly, way below his ability for a number of seasons, and now after one decent season at the age of 32 he expected to be picked? Sorry this feels like a manufactured article.
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    A bit harsh Stephen. If you look Zondo's 4-day record since they have both played at the Dolphins together it's there for you to see. I think it reasonable to say he can consider himself a touch unlucky with what is left and how he performed over the last 2 seasons. They both probably better in limited overs cricket but maybe it's a case of many average players around at the moment 27+ because we lost a few.

    VAN JAARSVELD

    2016/17 : 799 @ 53.26 (2 hundreds)
    2015/16 : 640 @ 49.23 (2 hundreds)
    2014/15 : 154 @ 22.00
    2013/14 : 39 @ 13.00
    2012/13 : 524 @ 34.93 (2 hundreds)
    2011/12 : 400 @ 40.00 (2 hundreds)
    2010/11 : 233 @ 46.60

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    2016/17 : 740 @ 67.27 (2 hundreds)
    2015/16 : 116 @ 12.88
    2014/15 : 365 @ 30.41 (1 hundred)
    2013/14 : 541 @ 38.64 (2 hundreds)
    2012/13 : 305 @ 30.50
    2011/12 : 56 @ 14.00
    2010/11 : 39 @ 19.50

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    A bit harsh Stephen. If you look Zondo's 4-day record since they have both played at the Dolphins together it's there for you to see. I think it reasonable to say he can consider himself a touch unlucky with what is left and how he performed over the last 2 seasons. They both probably better in limited overs cricket but maybe it's a case of many average players around at the moment 27+ because we lost a few.
    Losing a few good players has put people in-line that probably would not have had a shot otherwise. I think van Jaarsveld has been good for the last few years but you can`t compare to the opportunities that will be provided for Zonda for obvious reasons including his age. van Jaarsveld had to beat out de Bruyn, Markram, Miller etc All those guys you can see playing for SA in 3/4 years not van Jaarsveld. Just being horribly practical here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    Losing a few good players has put people in-line that probably would not have had a shot otherwise. I think van Jaarsveld has been good for the last few years but you can`t compare to the opportunities that will be provided for Zonda for obvious reasons including his age. van Jaarsveld had to beat out de Bruyn, Markram, Miller etc All those guys you can see playing for SA in 3/4 years not van Jaarsveld. Just being horribly practical here.
    In agreement. Was a prodigy and of course will score runs with that talent at franchise/provincial level. But there are deficiencies in his game that he will fail at a higher level. I class the guys who make it late into international cricket more your grafters ie Cook and maybe Kuhn now but not these hand-eye players. But in saying that I do think he is more deserving of making it into the SA 'A' team than a few players picked. Whether he is good enough to play for SA is the question but the same question can be asked for others in the SA 'A' side.

    The article to me though isn't a non-starter.
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    CSA SELECTED AWARDS NOMINATIONS

    CSA UMPIRE OF THE YEAR
    Adrian Holdstock

    Shaun George

    Bongani Jele

    AFRICA T20 CUP RISING STAR AWARD

    Patrick Kruger (Northern Cape)

    Solo Nqweni (Eastern Province)

    DOMESTIC NEWCOMER OF THE SEASON

    Aiden Markram (Multiply Titans)

    Wiaan Mulder (bizhub Highveld Lions)

    Jason Smith (Cape Cobras)

    MOMENTUM ONE-DAY CUP CRICKETER OF THE SEASON

    Junior Dala (Multiply Titans)

    Henry Davids (Multiply Titans)

    Jon-Jon Smuts (Warriors)

    Shaun von Berg (Multiply Titans)

    CSA T20 CHALLENGE CRICKETER OF THE SEASON
    Farhaan Behardien (Multiply Titans)

    Andrew Birch (Warriors)

    Jon-Jon Smuts (Warriors)

    SUNFOIL SERIES CRICKETER OF THE SEASON
    Theunis de Bruyn (VKB Knights)

    Duanne Olivier (VKB Knights)

    Shaun von Berg (Multiply Titans)

    STANDARD BANK T20 INTERNATIONAL CRICKETER OF THE YEAR
    Lungi Ngidi

    Imran Tahir

    STANDARD BANK ODI CRICKETER OF THE YEAR

    Quinton de Kock

    Faf du Plessis

    Imran Tahir

    STANDARD BANK TEST CRICKETER OF THE YEAR

    Quinton de Kock

    Faf du Plessis

    Dean Elgar

    Kagiso Rabada

    Vernon Philander

    KFC AWARD OF EXCELLENCE
    Temba Bavuma (run out of David Warner)

    Quinton de Kock (catch of Neil Broom)

    Quinton de Kock (catch of Nathan Lyon)

    Faf du Plessis (catch of Lahiru Madushanka)

    RAM DELIVERY OF THE YEAR

    Vernon Philander (Adam Voges)

    Kagiso Rabada (Usman Khawaja)

    Imran Tahir (Dinesh Chandimal)

    MOMENTUM WOMEN’S CRICKETER OF THE YEAR
    Ayabonga Khaka

    Sune Luus

    Dane van Niekerk

    SA CRICKETER OF THE YEAR
    Quinton de Kock

    Faf du Plessis

    Kagiso Rabada

    Imran Tahir

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    Domestic Newcomer will be tight, Von Berg for Domestic One day; T20 challenge did not watch so?;Domestic 4-day will be tight... possibly Oliver?;International LO Tahir for both (QDK for ODI maybe but don`t think so); QDK test cricketer of the year; Bavuma run out Warner.. best I`ve ever seen; Delivery Rabada on Khawaja; Unsure about womans cricket(sadly!); I think QDK will get SA player but would like Faf to get it, brilliant form but his captaincy helped turn us around this year.

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    I think QdK will clean up.

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    It was clear the Cobras were hunting a CSA Contracted black-African player and they've got Bavuma to return home where he left quite young : Lions lose Bavuma to Cobras | IOL
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    Odd one but SWD player of the season, Andrea Agathangelou, is joining the Titans. He got a couple of games for the Cobras at the end of last season. The Titans clearly trying to cover if Markram or Kuhn make the Proteas team and possibly think it's too early for Tuks player of the year Rubin Hermann.

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    15 PLAYERS NOT AWARDED CSA CENTRAL CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN CSA 'TOP-UP' CONTRACTS

    Theunis DE BRUYN (Knights)
    Aiden MARKRAM (Titans)
    Reeza HENDRICKS (Lions)
    Heino KUHN (Titans)
    Khaya ZONDO (Dolphins)
    Omphile RAMELA (Lions)
    Jason SMITH (Cobras)
    Heinrich KLAASEN (Titans)
    Mangaliso MOSEHLE (Lions)
    Dwaine PRETORIUS (Lions)
    Dane PIEDT (Cobras)
    Duanne OLIVIER (Knights)
    Lungi NGIDI (Titans)
    Dane PATERSON (Cobras)
    Sisanda MAGALA (Warriors)


    Basically 90% of the guys in the SA 'A' teams.

    “Our National Selectors work on a four-year succession plan and CSA awards ‘top up’ contracts to those franchise players considered part of the selectors immediate or future plans,” commented CSA Chief Executive, Haroon Lorgat. “Each player has a Personal Development Plan (PDP) prepared and this plan is regularly reviewed and monitored by the SA ‘A’ Head Coach.
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    CSA HIGH PERFORMANCE SQUAD (21 PLAYERS)

    BATSMEN
    Marques Ackerman (North West)
    Toni de Zorzi (Titans)
    Leus du Plooy (Knights)
    Zubayr Hamza (Cape Cobras)
    Dominic Hendricks (Highveld Lions)
    Simon Khomari (Cape Cobras)
    Patrick Kruger (Knights)
    Sibonelo Makhanya (Dolphins)
    Karabo Mogotsi (Gauteng)
    Eddie Moore (Warriors)
    Lesiba Ngoepe (Warriors)

    KEEPER
    Clyde Fortuin (Warriors)

    ALL-ROUNDERS
    Wiaan Mulder (Highveld Lions)
    Dayyaan Galiem (Cape Cobras)

    SPINNERS
    Bjorn Fortuin (Highveld Lions)
    George Linde (Cape Cobras)
    Tshepo Ntuli (Knights)

    SEAMERS
    Mbulelo Budaza (Knights)
    Okuhle Cele (KZN)
    Tshepo Moreki (Cape Cobras)
    Lwandiswa Zuma (Dolphins)

    “The HP List of players has a particular focus on identifying talented black players who are then presented with an individualised PDP (Player Development Plan). This is a plan based on a Needs Analysis conducted by the Senior Provincial and Franchise coaches and which provides defined support to each player. This forms part of CSA’s newly adopted Player Performance Plan (PPP). The aim is to grow and develop talented players and prepare them for future SA ‘A’ and National Team high performance,” concluded Mr. Lorgat.
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    Think there are a few players possibly unlucky to not be in the HP squad. Although think a few of them have gone to England for the winter.

    Kyle Verreynne, Kyle Simmonds, Senuran Muthusamy, Yaseen Valli, Janneman Malan & Migael Pretorius are in the Academy squad though.

    There are players a bit older like Lizaad Williams, Calvin Savage, Daryn Dupavillon, Rabian Englebrecht, Corne Dry, Shaun von Berg that are easily ahead of some of the bowlers above & would surely get SA 'A' recognition before some of the above.

    Ryan Rickelton, Rivaldo Moonsamy, Rubin Hermann, Grant Roelofsen, Farhaan Sayanvala, Brandon Glover, Keith Dudgeon have serious potential and ignored even in SA Academy squad.
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    Why CSA don't want to increase the franchise teams.

    South Africa cricket | Ken Borland
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