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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    What is the chance of a false positive spot appearing at the exact same spot as the ball passes the bat at the exact same time as the ball passes the bat?

    because that's a real false positive, not there being a spot on the bat before or after the ball passes it.

    You can't take the same leniencies you do with snicko and then not apply them to hotspot.

    e.g. here:



    Why can you only see daylight for snicko but not for hotspot?
    Because with hotspot the whole fundamental principle is that the naked eye is unreliable and that's why you use hot spot. The chance of there being an exact, .01 second sound existing at the same time, giving the same impression as a nick (a relatively sharp high display) is more unlikely than a hot spot showing up.

    And that's not even my point which seems to have been lost here. I haven't said that snicko doesn't give false positives. I'm saying hot spot does though and people blow their loads when people come out and say "oh but hot spot doesn't give false positives!!!!" but that's blatantly untrue. it does.

    In this part of the discussion all I want is for people to stop saying it doesn't give false positives as some form of justification of the technology. It's just wrong.
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    Well, I'm partially to blame for that.

    What I meant to say was that, with intelligent use of hotspot, false positives are exceedingly rare.

    If the evidence is not conclusive from hotspot (or any other technology), then the decision is not overturned. I'm happy with that, as long as they understand the limitations of each technology and know when something is conclusive or not.

    I'm quite fond of hotspot when it comes to bat-pad or inside edged LBWs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    How do you not get basic comprehension?

    The fact that the mark existed before, after or during the ball passing the edge, and the fact that ball is higher or lower than where the ball passes the ball is pure coincidence, and is purely ancillary to the issue at hand. No one is saying Pietersen was out, just that it's an example of when a false positive is given as there is nothing to distinguish between an edge mark and anything else.

    Please do not waste any more of my time.
    Oh I forgot. The Supreme Authority on Life, Internet, Cricket and Infra-Red Technology has spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Oh I forgot. The Supreme Authority on Life, Internet, Cricket and Infra-Red Technology has spoken.

    Don't know what I was thinking.
    Sounds like a post of someone who was wrong.

    That's ok, apology accepted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Sounds like a post of someone who was wrong.

    That's ok, apology accepted.
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    This forum is filled with false positives itbt

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    How do you not get basic comprehension?

    The fact that the mark existed before, after or during the ball passing the edge, and the fact that ball is higher or lower than where the ball passes the ball is pure coincidence, and is purely ancillary to the issue at hand. No one is saying Pietersen was out, just that it's an example of when a false positive is given as there is nothing to distinguish between an edge mark and anything else.

    Please do not waste any more of my time.
    The equivalent of this can and does happen with Snicko.

    In both cases, it's pretty easy to tell whether the spot/noise (delete as applicable) is down to the ball striking the bat or not. In the Pietersen case, the mark on the bat shown in HotSpot was later shown to be due to the bat striking the pad. Snicko would pick this up and show what you term a "false positive" as well, but it's sort of besides the point - it was pretty easy to detect in HotSpot alone in the Pietersen case that there was no edge, and it would have been in Snicko as well. In this regard HotSpot and Snicko are equivalent. Technically yes this is a false positive but I don't see the issue.

    I do agree though that Snicko is generally preferable and I don't see the need for HotSpot assuming that Snicko is available.
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    My opinion:

    Get rid of the whole ****ing DRS system, except for run outs or stumpings.

    Everything else is decided by the umpires on the ground.

    The system worked for 100+ years. It still will.

    I despise watching players review an umpire's decision.

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    I agree Monky.

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    But...I will say that I played 3rds last Saturday. I took 3 wickets but I reckon I would've had 6 or 7 if I'd been able to review my LBW appeals.

    ****ing self umpiring in lower grades. What a bull**** joke that is!

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    Haha the Prior c Smith b Lyon 0 (1) is the perfect illustration of how DRS works.
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    Over 0.2: Putland to Nevill, OUT, no run, full ball swings in late to crash into his pads. Nevill is almost falling over trying to get bat on it but can't. Huge shout for LBW and Umpire Martell eventually raises the finger! P.Nevill - lbw b:Putland 0 (1 ball, 1 minute).

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    Indeed

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    How is anyone arguing that DRS doesn't lead to more correct decisions? Weird post.

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    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    But...I will say that I played 3rds last Saturday. I took 3 wickets but I reckon I would've had 6 or 7 if I'd been able to review my LBW appeals.

    ****ing self umpiring in lower grades. What a bull**** joke that is!
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