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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    You're all crazy! I can understand combining #3 with the openers instead of with the middle order, but there's no way it's a separate entity to both the openers and the middle order. It's not that specialised a position as people try to make it out.
    Opening is opening (a specialist position). The middle order is 4-7. Number 3 is a different beast. Not every batsman can thrive there. Some players are more suited to 4-6 than 3, even "better" batsmen.

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    Personally I'd go with the South Africans here, though most will go with the Pakistanis.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. R.G Pollock 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.J Procter 9. M.D Marshall 10. S.K Warne 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Opening is opening (a specialist position). The middle order is 4-7. Number 3 is a different beast. Not every batsman can thrive there. Some players are more suited to 4-6 than 3, even "better" batsmen.
    That's why I like the category of 'Top Order' batsman because the first 3 batsman have to be 'new ball specialists'. As Geoff Boycott pointed out - "The new ball goes off like a fire-cracker when it hits the pitch."
    PRE WWI
    Grace-Trumper-Hill-Taylor-Ranjitsinhji-Faulkner-Noble-Lilley-Turner-Richardson-Barnes
    PRE WWII
    Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Bradman-Hammond-Headley-Macartney-Ames-Gregory-Larwood-O'Reilly-Grimmett
    POST WWII
    Hutton-Simpson-Kanhai-Pollock-Harvey-Sobers-Waite-Benaud-Davidson-Lindwall-Trueman
    PACKER ERA
    Gavaskar-Greenidge-Richards-Chappell-Lloyd-Botham-Imran-Knott-Lillee-Holding-Underwood
    MODERN ERA
    Hayden-Langer-Ponting-Tendulkar-Lara-Kallis-Gilchrist-Marshall-Warne-Ambrose-McGrath

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    Its interesting when you take a look at their stats.

    Mike Procter - 7 matches, 41 wickets @ 15.02, 36.9 SR
    Allan Donald - 72 matches, 330 wickets @ 22.25, 47.0 SR
    Dale Steyn - 65 matches, 332 wickets @ 22.65, 41.1 SR

    Imran Khan - 88 matches, 362 wickets @ 22.81, 53.7 SR
    Wasim Akram - 104 matches, 414 wickets @ 23.62, 54.6 SR
    Waqar Younis - 87 matches, 373 wickets @ 23.56, 43.4 SR

    Not saying X is better than Y, and I know stats aren't everything, but its just... interesting.


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    The idea of going with a speciast No. 3 is from Benaud and (I believe) Bradman when they were making their All Time teams, nothin I made up.

    Quick question if anyone knows. Who was the better slipper Barry Richards, Sunil Gavaskar or Gordon Grenidge?
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    1st XI
    Hutton | Hobbs | Bradman* | Richards^ | Tendulkar | Sobers5^ | Gilchrist+ | Khan3 | Marshall1 | Warne4^ | McGrath2
    2nd XI
    Sutcliffe | Gavaskar* | Headley | Chappell^ | Lara^ | Kallis5^ | Knott+ | Hadlee3 | Ambrose2 | Lillee1 | Muralitharan4
    3rd XI
    Greenidge | Richards^ | Ponting^ | Pollock | Hammond^ | Worrell5* | Waite+ | Akram3 | Steyn1 | Holding2 | O'Reilly4
    4th XI
    Morris | Simpson^ | Sangakkara | Weekes^ | Border*^ | Walcott+ | Faulkner5 | Laker4 | Trueman1 | Garner3 | Donald2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    The idea of going with a speciast No. 3 is from Benaud and (I believe) Bradman when they were making their All Time teams, nothin I made up.

    Quick question if anyone knows. Who was the better slipper Barry Richards, Sunil Gavaskar or Gordon Grenidge?
    I know all three fielded in the slips, know Greenidge was quite good, but don't know much about the other two.
    How good were they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    I know all three fielded in the slips, know Greenidge was quite good, but don't know much about the other two.
    How good were they?
    Probably Barry Richards; hard to distinguish actually. Remember reading somewhere Greenidge used to stand at gully and Richards at slip when they both played together in county games. Sunil Gavaskar was an excellent slip fielder too from all accounts.
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    Yea, I had read that Riachards and Greenidge fielded in the slips together at Hampshire and formed a good combination, have seen a couple of good grabs by Sunny as well but neither are speciffically mentioned for the skill. Opener and spinner really are the two weakest positions, depth wise when buliding an ATG XI. Fast bowlers and the middle order reallly have much deeper and stronger filed to choose from.

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