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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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SillyCowCorner1
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Unfortunately it’s no longer free. I am sure someone over here has access to it. They can provide you detailed stats.
Or you can just buy the membership for a month. It’s not that expensive.
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Oh damn. I'll keep away from that.
TheJediBrah
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Richards family would be very proud having the 2 brothers in there
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I hate having Bradman and Tendulkar in the same XI.
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I like it.
kyear2
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Just about perfect. Just would love to put Steyn in there, but hard to argue with McGrath. Which 2 get the new ball and who goes 1st change?
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ataraxia
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My English all-time XI with some comments:
1. Jack Hobbs - In my view the best opener of all time. Average of 56 despite purposely throwing his wicket away sometimes just after his century.
2. Bert Sutcliffe - Says something that you've never had a test average below 60 and you're viewed as second fiddle in an opening partnership. Amazing partnership between him and Hobbs.
3. Len Hutton
4. Wally Hammond
5. W. G. Grace (capt) - Probably doesn't count in light that he's mainly here because of his first-class contributions but still you can't leave him out.
6. Wilfred Rhodes - In my view he's England's best spinner ever. And his batting is good as well.
7. Ian Botham
8. Alan Knott (wk)
9. Fred Trueman
10. Tom Richardson - A forgotten great; a giant of the Wisden century. Just beats out Anderson.
11. Sydney Barnes - Best bowler of all-time IMO. Terrific average even in that era, and managed to keep it up for almost 200 wickets.
12th man: Derek Underwood
Managed to put five openers in there.
1. Jack Hobbs - In my view the best opener of all time. Average of 56 despite purposely throwing his wicket away sometimes just after his century.
2. Bert Sutcliffe - Says something that you've never had a test average below 60 and you're viewed as second fiddle in an opening partnership. Amazing partnership between him and Hobbs.
3. Len Hutton
4. Wally Hammond
5. W. G. Grace (capt) - Probably doesn't count in light that he's mainly here because of his first-class contributions but still you can't leave him out.
6. Wilfred Rhodes - In my view he's England's best spinner ever. And his batting is good as well.
7. Ian Botham
8. Alan Knott (wk)
9. Fred Trueman
10. Tom Richardson - A forgotten great; a giant of the Wisden century. Just beats out Anderson.
11. Sydney Barnes - Best bowler of all-time IMO. Terrific average even in that era, and managed to keep it up for almost 200 wickets.
12th man: Derek Underwood
Managed to put five openers in there.
h_hurricane
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The one issue I have with this team is Barry Richards. Not saying he didn't deserve it at all but based on that kind of a test career, it would be unfair to Hobbs or Gavaskar if he made it ahead of them.
A big fan of batdeep as well hence Imran would make it ahead of Mcgrath for me, but then hard to argue with such a giant of a bowler.
CricAddict
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That team already bats deep with Marshall at 9 and Warne at 10.
h_hurricane
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I know. Was only getting greedier
Coronis
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Love this team, great to see Grace and Richardson in there. Also maybe its just me but there is no doubt in my mind that England’s best XI should involve all 3 of Hobbs, Sutcliffe and Hutton at the top of the order. The gap between them and the rest of England’s middle order batsmen (outside of Hammond ofc) is significant enough.My English all-time XI with some comments:
1. Jack Hobbs - In my view the best opener of all time. Average of 56 despite purposely throwing his wicket away sometimes just after his century.
2. Bert Sutcliffe - Says something that you've never had a test average below 60 and you're viewed as second fiddle in an opening partnership. Amazing partnership between him and Hobbs.
3. Len Hutton
4. Wally Hammond
5. W. G. Grace (capt) - Probably doesn't count in light that he's mainly here because of his first-class contributions but still you can't leave him out.
6. Wilfred Rhodes - In my view he's England's best spinner ever. And his batting is good as well.
7. Ian Botham
8. Alan Knott (wk)
9. Fred Trueman
10. Tom Richardson - A forgotten great; a giant of the Wisden century. Just beats out Anderson.
11. Sydney Barnes - Best bowler of all-time IMO. Terrific average even in that era, and managed to keep it up for almost 200 wickets.
12th man: Derek Underwood
Managed to put five openers in there.
a massive zebra
International Captain
Well Ken Barrington's record is just as good as any of those guys.
To refer to Herbert Sutcliffe as Bert is slightly confusing because he was never known as Bert but there was a Bert Sutcliffe who played for New Zealand.
To refer to Herbert Sutcliffe as Bert is slightly confusing because he was never known as Bert but there was a Bert Sutcliffe who played for New Zealand.
a massive zebra
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Botham should bat above Rhodes IMO. Made seven times as many centuries in less than double the matches.
