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    Un-fixable XIs

    Hutton
    Simpson
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Border (c)
    Gilchrist (wk)
    Imran
    Davidson
    Benaud
    Trueman
    Bedi

    Gooch
    Lawry
    Ponting
    I.Chappell
    Worrell (c)
    Flower (wk)
    Miller
    Lindwall
    Ambrose
    Laker
    McGrath

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    I read those peak stats and the one that jumped out at me was Mike Gatting averaging 61 over a 50 match period.... jesus he must have been rubbish for the rest of his career....

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    Gatting was a bit before my time, I can only vaguely remember him. He seemed such a compact and organised batsman, especially assured against spin.
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    That is wrong. Gatting averaged a peak of 44.36 over 50 matches from 1981-1987 as far as I can tell. Averaged 22 either side of that.
    Greatest Ever Test XI: JB Hobbs, L Hutton, DG Bradman (c), IVA Richards, BC Lara, GS Sobers, AC Gilchrist (wk), Imran Khan, RJ Hadlee, MD Marshall, SK Warne 12th man: M Muralitharan


    Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood


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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    That is wrong. Gatting averaged a peak of 44.36 over 50 matches from 1981-1987 as far as I can tell. Averaged 22 either side of that.
    That's a relief - was beginning to think I'd spent a summer in a coma while Gatt was being Bradmanesque

    Wasn't a great player but tbf to him once he mastered the concept that shouldering arms and padding away inswingers was a piss poor idea he became a reliable performer for a few years

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    A recent thread got me thinking, about the best XI you could make from a specific time period. From the early 30's

    Ponsford
    Sutcliffe
    Bradman
    Headley
    Hammond
    McCabe
    Ames
    Larwood
    Voce
    Grimmett
    O'Reilly

    Hobbs sadly, had to be excluded, as he had retired from tests before O'Reilly's debut. So I guess this is the best XI circa 1932.
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    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    who will win the test championship if we had the five top teams from the last 40 years battling against each other?

    74 to 82

    gavaskar
    boycott
    richards
    g.chappell
    lloyd
    botham
    knott (wk)
    holding
    lillee
    roberts
    underwood

    82 to 90

    greenidge
    haynes
    crowe
    miandad
    border
    imran
    dujon (wk)
    hadlee
    marshall
    qadir
    garner

    90 to 98

    taylor
    anwar
    lara
    tendulkar
    waugh
    flower (wk)
    cairns
    akram
    warne
    ambrose
    donald

    98 to 06

    hayden
    sehwag
    ponting
    dravid
    kallis
    chanderpal
    gilchrist (wk)
    pollock
    gillespie
    murali
    mcgrath

    06 to 13

    smith
    cook
    sangakara
    clarke
    de villiers
    prior (wk)
    shakib
    swann
    morkel
    steyn
    anderson

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    90 to 98 looks really strong
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    So does 98-06

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    Geez there are some great sides there - the 06-13 lot are the only ones who really look out of their depth, and even then that's probably a little unfair as they're all still mid-career. There's very little to split the first four teams though.

    Compartmentalising it, for what it's worth:

    Openers: 74-82 to grind it out on a difficult batting wicket, 98-06 to go absolutely berko on a road
    Middle-order: 90-98, just ever-so-slightly shading 74-82
    All-rounder: 74-82 - Beefy's decline doesn’t come into it with the '82 cut-off
    Wicket-keeper: 98-06
    Pace attack: 82-90 - there are four great pace attacks there, but Marshall-Hadlee-Imran-Garner is absolutely ****ing ridiculous
    Spinner: 90-98 or 98-06, take your pick

    Overall? Absolutely no idea, but I'd love to watch it happen.
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    Was thinking of 3 sides. Australasia, Asia and the rest of the world. Probably missed a couple obvious people but here they are.

    Australasia
    Ponsford
    Morris
    Bradman*
    Ponting
    Chappell
    Miller
    Gilchrist+
    Hadlee
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    Blasphemy right here, but I could probably drop Miller and put Border in... but that weakens the bowling somewhat.

    Asia

    Gavaskar
    Anwar
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Sangakkara+
    Miandad
    Kapil
    Imran*
    Wasim
    Murali
    Waqar

    Not much to say here. Could put in a specialist keeper, but, Sanga's batting is excellent.

    Rest of the World

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Kallis
    Pollock
    Hammond*
    Sobers
    Knott+
    Marshall
    Jim Laker
    Curtly Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Wasn't comfortable putting Barnes in over Laker. Obviously controversial middle order, Headley, Richards and Lara unlucky to miss out.

    Would be some interesting matchups imo. What do you guys think? Pretty hard to separate them but I think Australasia has the slightest of edges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Was thinking of 3 sides. Australasia, Asia and the rest of the world. Probably missed a couple obvious people but here they are.

    Australasia
    Ponsford
    Morris
    Bradman*
    Ponting
    Chappell
    Miller
    Gilchrist+
    Hadlee
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    Blasphemy right here, but I could probably drop Miller and put Border in... but that weakens the bowling somewhat.

    Asia

    Gavaskar
    Anwar
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Sangakkara+
    Miandad
    Kapil
    Imran*
    Wasim
    Murali
    Waqar

    Not much to say here. Could put in a specialist keeper, but, Sanga's batting is excellent.

    Rest of the World

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Kallis
    Pollock
    Hammond*
    Sobers
    Knott+
    Marshall
    Jim Laker
    Curtly Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Wasn't comfortable putting Barnes in over Laker. Obviously controversial middle order, Headley, Richards and Lara unlucky to miss out.

    Would be some interesting matchups imo. What do you guys think? Pretty hard to separate them but I think Australasia has the slightest of edges.
    I think removing Kapil from the Asia XI and putting a batsman in there would make asia stronger

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    Kapil's pretty capable at #7, especially with Imran at #8 and Wasim at #9. All the bowling attacks are very good, but that Asia XI one is awesome. Has everything bar a leggie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Was thinking of 3 sides. Australasia, Asia and the rest of the world. Probably missed a couple obvious people but here they are.

    Australasia
    Ponsford
    Morris
    Bradman*
    Ponting
    Chappell
    Miller
    Gilchrist+
    Hadlee
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    Blasphemy right here, but I could probably drop Miller and put Border in... but that weakens the bowling somewhat.

    Asia

    Gavaskar
    Anwar
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Sangakkara+
    Miandad
    Kapil
    Imran*
    Wasim
    Murali
    Waqar

    Not much to say here. Could put in a specialist keeper, but, Sanga's batting is excellent.

    Rest of the World

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Kallis
    Pollock
    Hammond*
    Sobers
    Knott+
    Marshall
    Jim Laker
    Curtly Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Wasn't comfortable putting Barnes in over Laker. Obviously controversial middle order, Headley, Richards and Lara unlucky to miss out.

    Would be some interesting matchups imo. What do you guys think? Pretty hard to separate them but I think Australasia has the slightest of edges.
    Australasia

    Morris
    Simpson
    Bradman
    Chappell
    Ponting
    Border
    Gilchrist
    Hadlee
    Warne
    Lillee
    Mcgrath

    Asia

    Gavaskar
    Merchant
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Miandad
    Sangakkara
    Engineer
    Imran
    Akram
    Muralitharan
    Waqar

    ROW

    Hobbs
    Richards
    Headley
    Richards
    Lara
    Sobers
    Knott
    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Trueman
    Laker
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Is this team better than the one in my sig?

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards ^
    Don Bradman *
    Viv Richards ^
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Garry Sobers (5) ^
    Allan Knott *
    Imran Khan (3)
    Malcolm Marshall (1)
    Muttiah Muralitharan (4)
    Glenn McGrath (2)

    Was thining this better suited to playing all over the world including the SC. Richards over Hutton because with Warne ommitted, a third specialist slip is needed, plus all who say him said he was the best and brings imputus to the top order. Hobbs and the middle order are just a class above for me, so no need for change there. Gilchrist is the best keeper batsman, and he mastered keeping to Warne, hence he was an automatic, Murali is a totally different proposition and feel Knott would be better suited, plus he was no mugg with the bat either and batted in a more difficult era to Gilly. Still can't fathom a better pace attack that Marshall, McGrath and Imran and only Amby and probably Lillee would challenge.

    Thoughts?



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