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    1. Sunil Gavaskar
    2. Virender Sehwag
    3. Rahul Dravid
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Javed Miandad
    6. Kumar Sangakkara+
    7. Imran Khan (c)
    8. Wasim Akram
    9. Anil Kumble
    10. Waqar Younis
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan

    Throw Dev in at 8 for Kumble depending on conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I'd keep Kapil in the team. Adds a lot more than what people give him credit for. True match winner.

    I'd open with Engineer tbh, balances the side well.

    Gavaskar
    Engineer *
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Sangakkara
    Miandad
    Kapil Dev
    Imran Khan +
    Wasim
    Waqar
    Murali

    Team bats to 9. And that bowling attack, hell yeh.
    Thats some team!
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    Did Engineer do much opening?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    1. Sunil Gavaskar
    2. Virender Sehwag
    3. Rahul Dravid
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Javed Miandad
    6. Kumar Sangakkara+
    7. Imran Khan (c)
    8. Wasim Akram
    9. Anil Kumble
    10. Waqar Younis
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan

    Throw Dev in at 8 for Kumble depending on conditions.
    Yep that would be my team barring possibly Sehwag. Could go for Hanif Mohammad instead. Usually I'm a big fan of stacking ATG sides with allrounders but Wasim's bowling + batting > than Kapil's overall package when looking for a number eight. For overseas matches though Kapil would play ahead of Kumble.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    What are peoples thoughts on nations best ever eleven to take the field together? Would Indians agree that their side that got to number one was their best, or is there another side they fielded that they believe was better and was just unfortunate to play when other teams were stronger?

    Also an interesting one for the recent South Africa and England number ones. Their best to take the field at one time?

    I'm not sure about England but despite the lack of Kapil and Srinath I'd take the Indian one even with Ishant as a passenger as their best and I think the South African one as well, just, since the banned era sides didn't see much playing time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Did Engineer do much opening?
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    Opened in the majority of his test innings, averaged over 30.

    Fred reckons he's the second best keeper he ever saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    What are peoples thoughts on nations best ever eleven to take the field together? Would Indians agree that their side that got to number one was their best, or is there another side they fielded that they believe was better and was just unfortunate to play when other teams were stronger?

    Also an interesting one for the recent South Africa and England number ones. Their best to take the field at one time?

    I'm not sure about England but despite the lack of Kapil and Srinath I'd take the Indian one even with Ishant as a passenger as their best and I think the South African one as well, just, since the banned era sides didn't see much playing time.
    Apart from the recent obvious one (Hayden, Langer, Ponting, McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist etc) from an Australian perspective, I'd say these are our greatest teams...



    1946
    Barnes
    Morris
    Bradman*
    Hassett
    Miller
    McCool
    Johnson
    Tallon+
    Lindwall
    Tribe
    Toshack

    1921
    Bardsley
    Collins
    Macartney
    Pellew
    Taylor
    Armstrong *
    Gregory
    Hendry
    Carter +
    McDonald
    Mailey
    Last edited by Monk; 12-04-2013 at 02:02 PM. Reason: Forgot Jack Gregory

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    I'd like to see that 1946 battle the 1971 England side. Played at the SCG, it would be some Test match. Interestingly, both of these great teams didn't mind increasing their bowling strength by playing bowling-allrounders (mediocre batsman) at No.6;

    AUSTRALIA
    01. Barnes
    02. Morris
    03. Bradman*
    04. Hassett
    05. Miller
    06. McCool
    07. Johnson
    08. Tallon+
    09. Lindwall
    10. Tribe
    11. Toshack

    ENGLAND
    01. Boycott
    02. Edrich
    03. Fletcher
    04. D'Oliveria
    05. Hampshire
    06. Illingworth*
    07. Knott+
    08. Snow
    09. P. Lever
    10. Underwood
    11. Willis
    Last edited by watson; 11-04-2013 at 11:51 PM.
    PRE WWI
    Grace-Trumper-Hill-Taylor-Ranjitsinhji-Faulkner-Noble-Lilley-Turner-Richardson-Barnes
    PRE WWII
    Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Bradman-Hammond-Headley-Macartney-Ames-Gregory-Larwood-O'Reilly-Grimmett
    POST WWII
    Hutton-Simpson-Kanhai-Pollock-Harvey-Sobers-Waite-Benaud-Davidson-Lindwall-Trueman
    PACKER ERA
    Gavaskar-Greenidge-Richards-Chappell-Lloyd-Botham-Imran-Knott-Lillee-Holding-Underwood
    MODERN ERA
    Hayden-Langer-Ponting-Tendulkar-Lara-Kallis-Gilchrist-Marshall-Warne-Ambrose-McGrath

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    And I'd just about mortgage my house to see the 1974 Aussie side play the 1928 England side;

    AUSTRALIA
    01. Redpath
    02. McCosker
    03. I. Chappell
    04. G. Chappell
    05. R. Edwards
    06. Walters
    07. Marsh
    08. Walker
    09. Lillee
    10. Mallett
    11. Thomson

    ENGLAND
    01. Hobbs
    02. Sutcliffe
    03. Hammond
    04. Jardine
    05. Hendren
    06. Chapman
    07. Larwood
    08. Geary
    09. Tate
    10. Duckworth
    11. White

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    And here is a charming short doco about Percy Fender's film of the 1928-29 tour of Australia. Most of it is about Archie Jackson though;

    Old Cricket Film: 1928-29 - YouTube

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    I think a better balance of batting and bowling is needed like this SC XI:

    Gavaskar | Sehwag | Dravid | Tendulkar | Miandad | Sanga (w)| Mankad | Imran | Wasim | Waqar | Murali

    Mankad and Imran at 7 and 8 really spruce up the batting. Engineer the big miss. This team is extremely similar in composition to my India XI:

    Gavaskar | Sehwag | Dravid | Tendulkar | Hazare | Engineer (w) | Mankad | Kapil | Srinath | Prasanna | Amar Singh |
    If you were that old, and that kind, and the very last of your kind, you couldn't just stand back and watch children cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    I'd like to see that 1946 battle the 1971 England side. Played at the SCG, it would be some Test match. Interestingly, both of these great teams didn't mind increasing their bowling strength by playing bowling-allrounders (mediocre batsman) at No.6;

    AUSTRALIA
    01. Barnes
    02. Morris
    03. Bradman*
    04. Hassett
    05. Miller
    06. McCool
    07. Johnson
    08. Tallon+
    09. Lindwall
    10. Tribe
    11. Toshack

    ENGLAND
    01. Boycott
    02. Edrich
    03. Fletcher
    04. D'Oliveria
    05. Hampshire
    06. Illingworth*
    07. Knott+
    08. Snow
    09. P. Lever
    10. Underwood
    11. Willis
    England would get smashed imo.

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    I would love to witness a match between South African team of 1970 and the Windies team of the late 70s - early 80s.

    For India, I think the best side ever put on field was in around 2003. Slightly better than the 83-85 India.

    South Africa is the trickiest though. I think I might have to give it to the current team. Very consistent. Pakistan's was definitely in the mid to late 80s.

    I find it outside my power to name one for England. Really want to know about that too. Hope someone has a go at that.

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    I would say a team somewhere in the 50's, with Hutton, Compton, May, Trueman, Bedser, Laker, Lock. Dunno if they ever all played together, but I'm sure there would be some combination of them. Not to mention Tyson, Statham and Cowdrey were all also playing around that time iirc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    England would get smashed imo.
    There's some seasoned campaigners in that England team who had just won 2 consecutive series against the West Indies, and John Snow was about to steam-roll the Australian batting line-up on their own home soil. The 1946 Australian side would have been rusty after not playing a Test match in 6 or so years.

    In no way would Illingworth's team get smashed.

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    The 1948 Australians were probably the best balanced team Australia have put on the field. The fifth test team against Eng was:


    - Sid Barnes
    - Arthur Morris
    - Don Bradman *
    - Lindsay Hassett
    - Keith Miller
    - Neil Harvey
    - Sam Loxton
    - Ray Lindwall
    - Don Tallon +
    - Doug Ring
    - Bill Johnston


    Notes:

    Truly great L/R hand opening pair (both ATG)
    Bradman (ATG)
    Lindwall, Miller and Loxton as complimentary all-rounders
    Left handed bat in the middle order (Harvey- possibly ATG)
    Excellent keeper (possibly ATG)
    Two right arm quicks (both ATG), a left arm medium pace swing/seam bowler, leg spinner plus right arm support from Loxton.

    There are at least seven players in this team who could be classified ATGs.



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