changes to india's ODI squad

[Salamuddin]

1. Drop Kaif -- will probably do him more good than harm.
Bring in Badani or Ramesh Powar.
Kaif's done very little since his 114 against Zimbabwe in the Champions Trophy and the Natwest final.

2. Drop Partiv Patel Bring in Thilak Naidu (better batsman)

3. Play Murali Karthik in place of Kumble.

4. Good move to bowl Agarkar when the field restrictions are off.
I think he'll be a much better bowler in the middle overs.

 

[Salamuddin]

drop khan for a game as well. Pick nehra instead

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Agreed on Kaif. He's just lost 'it'. IMO he should be asked to earn his place/ a recall to the side instead of having it handed to him game after game.

If Patel plays, he has to bat higher up the order. There's no sense in him coming in with less than 10 overs to go. He's not a naturally fast scorer and he won't be effective at all.

 

[Mr. P]

Yeah im with you there too. Drop kaif, but i think that Khan should remain in the squad for at least two matches. This guy is too good to be desposed of so easily.

 

[masterblaster]

Kaif should be persisted with, he's got the temprement and the ability, and also India will lose so, so much when it comes to fielding if Kaif is dropped.

At 22, Kaif is a very good prospect for the future and should be stuck with.

When Ganguly comes back, Patel will no doubt be dropped.

 

[Richard]

1. Drop Kaif -- will probably do him more good than harm.
Bring in Badani or Ramesh Powar.
Kaif's done very little since his 114 against Zimbabwe in the Champions Trophy and the Natwest final.

2. Drop Partiv Patel Bring in Thilak Naidu (better batsman)

3. Play Murali Karthik in place of Kumble.

4. Good move to bowl Agarkar when the field restrictions are off.
I think he'll be a much better bowler in the middle overs.

1 - very much agree. Kaif had an excellent 6 months from one Zimbabwe game to another, but for much of the last 12 months he's been distinctly ordinary.
2 - never seen or read of Thilak Naidu so can't comment.
3 - don't rate Kartik and never have. I'd prefer to see Sarandeep Singh and I'd prefer Harbhajan Singh was dropped than Kumble.
4 - delighted to see Agarkar bowled when it was. Not sure about opening with Sehwag and bowling Kumble in the first 15, but from solely the Agarkar POV it was a great idea. Thought about the idea a couple of times before, never expected it to be actually tried. Hopefully it will continue to work.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Kaif should be persisted with, he's got the temprement and the ability, and also India will lose so, so much when it comes to fielding if Kaif is dropped.

At 22, Kaif is a very good prospect for the future and should be stuck with.

When Ganguly comes back, Patel will no doubt be dropped.

Kaif is a good prospect, but he's not been performing for the last year. I don't think it does him any good that he's assured of his place game after game when he doesn't deserve it.

 

[Richard]

That does no-one any good.

 

[Rik]

That does no-one any good.

Happens more than you'd think.

Ask England, the masters of it.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

That does no-one any good.

So it won't do him any good to realize that he's always going to be picked, no matter how poorly he does? I think alot of players need a wake up call once in while. They need to show him that he has to play well enough to deserve to represent his country and that he's not expendable. Keep in mind that this is not just a couple of game of bad form. This is months of very very indifferent form. He's a specialist batsman, so he's there to score runs. If he doesn't score runs then replace him with someone who will.

 

[esgallindeion]

1. Drop Kaif -- will probably do him more good than harm.
Bring in Badani or Ramesh Powar.
Kaif's done very little since his 114 against Zimbabwe in the Champions Trophy and the Natwest final.

2. Drop Partiv Patel Bring in Thilak Naidu (better batsman)

3. Play Murali Karthik in place of Kumble.

4. Good move to bowl Agarkar when the field restrictions are off.
I think he'll be a much better bowler in the middle overs.

1. Well... a small break for this guy would do the team no harm. If his replacement doesn't do very well then he could always return.
2. Yes. But in ODIs with Ganguly's return I'd prefer Dravid to keep wickets.
3. Agreed. Kumble should retire.
4. Totally Agree. Agarkar should be most effective around the 20 - 35 over mark.

 

[esgallindeion]

But if you want to replace Kaif with Badani, it wont be a very good idea as badani is an even more inconsistent player and a worse fielder.

 

[virajqw]

hey what abt dinesh mongia ?and rohan gavaskar?he played well in challenger trophy

 

[Richard]

Happens more than you'd think.

Ask England, the masters of it.

Oh, believe me, buddy, I know how much it happens!
It's infuriating how often it does, and usually something happens after about 5 or 6 games that gives them an excuse to keep the player for another 5 or 6 games.
It's called clutching at straws and it's astonishing the amount it happened in the years from 2001 to 2002\03. It really infuriates me how the like of Collingwood, Vaughan, White, Giles, Hoggard, Flintoff in a way, Harmison and Blackwell got so many chances in the ODIs when Hick, Ealham, Mullally, Croft and sometimes Knight were just crying-out for selection.

 

[Richard]

So it won't do him any good to realize that he's always going to be picked, no matter how poorly he does? I think alot of players need a wake up call once in while. They need to show him that he has to play well enough to deserve to represent his country and that he's not expendable. Keep in mind that this is not just a couple of game of bad form. This is months of very very indifferent form. He's a specialist batsman, so he's there to score runs. If he doesn't score runs then replace him with someone who will.

I agree with all of that wholeheartedly.
Did you think I didn't?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I agree with all of that wholeheartedly.
Did you think I didn't?

To be honest I wasn't thinking about you, but I have to ask one thing... how can you write off certain players (who shall remain nameless) after one or two matches and then say that Kaif should be persisted with?

 

[Richard]

When did I say Kaif should be persisted with? I think he's failed for far too long and should have lost his place before now.
I never say people should be written-off after one or two matches (really I never say anyone should be written-off) but I do sometimes think people get the wrong impression about one or two matches. Some players I don't think should have been picked in the first place, and I then say "this suggests they shouldn't have been".
If someone has, IMO, merited their selection, one or two games is not a fair amount to judge failure on. 5 innings is something that starts to get towards the fair stakes.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I apologize Richard. I misread what you wrote as "disagree". My mistake and I hope all is forgiven.

 

[gibbsnsmith]

Kumble retire????

He has performed better than the rest lately and please NO Dinesh Mongia, ive had enough of him..

 

[Richard]

I apologize Richard. I misread what you wrote as "disagree". My mistake and I hope all is forgiven.

Sure - no holds barred ever from me, and as I recently said to TC I'm not by any means a master of phraseology so sometimes I can be read as saying something I don't mean.