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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah, confirmed, and fixed.

    Five years:
    1. DG Bradman (Aus) - 116.39 (8 Mar 1929 - 18 Aug 1934) - 5.00 years
    2. JB Hobbs (Eng) - 80.09 (11 Mar 1910 - 31 Dec 1920) - 5.20 years
    3. WR Hammond (Eng) - 76.24 (23 Jun 1928 - 31 Mar 1933) - 5.04 years
    4. S Chanderpaul (WI) - 73.80 (7 Jun 2007 - 21 Nov 2012) - 5.10 years
    5. L Hutton (Eng) - 73.16 (27 Dec 1948 - 30 Mar 1954) - 5.01 years
    6. SJ McCabe (Aus) - 70.95 (10 Feb 1933 - 24 Jun 1938) - 5.17 years
    7. JH Kallis (SA) - 70.25 (15 Mar 2002 - 2 Jan 2008) - 5.04 years
    8. KF Barrington (Eng) - 68.80 (17 Aug 1961 - 27 Jul 1967) - 5.14 years
    9. AD Nourse (SA) - 68.59 (18 Feb 1939 - 21 Jun 1951) - 5.07 years
    10. C Hill (Aus) - 68.54 (13 Dec 1897 - 11 Dec 1903) - 5.52 years
    11. GS Sobers (WI) - 68.40 (13 Apr 1962 - 6 Dec 1968) - 5.06 years
    12. AB de Villiers (SA) - 68.24 (3 Jan 2009 - 12 Feb 2014) - 5.03 years
    13. IVA Richards (WI) - 67.62 (23 Jan 1976 - 30 Jan 1982) - 5.25 years
    14. SR Tendulkar (Ind) - 67.60 (11 Feb 1993 - 25 Mar 1998) - 5.14 years
    15. HM Amla (SA) - 67.35 (3 Jan 2010 - 2 Jan 2015) - 5.01 years
    16. GA Headley (WI) - 67.34 (11 Jan 1930 - 21 Jan 1948) - 5.14 years
    17. PBH May (Eng) - 66.87 (17 Dec 1954 - 6 Jan 1960) - 5.07 years
    18. H Sutcliffe (Eng) - 66.84 (10 Jul 1926 - 2 Dec 1932) - 5.05 years
    19. RN Harvey (Aus) - 65.92 (6 Feb 1948 - 9 Jul 1953) - 5.13 years
    20. RT Ponting (Aus) - 65.78 (2 Aug 2001 - 1 Dec 2006) - 5.00 years
    21. CL Walcott (WI) - 65.63 (8 Feb 1952 - 13 Mar 1958) - 5.04 years
    22. WL Murdoch (Aus/Eng) - 65.58 (6 Sep 1880 - 12 Dec 1884) - 5.00 years
    23. KC Sangakkara (SL) - 65.56 (25 May 2006 - 3 Nov 2011) - 5.07 years
    24. AR Border (Aus) - 65.38 (26 Dec 1982 - 29 Jan 1988) - 5.12 years
    25. Hanif Mohammad (Pak) - 65.37 (11 Oct 1956 - 31 May 1962) - 5.10 years
    26. DCS Compton (Eng) - 64.79 (10 Jun 1938 - 12 Aug 1950) - 5.00 years
    27. R Dravid (Ind) - 64.28 (10 Nov 2000 - 20 Sep 2005) - 5.13 years
    28. SR Waugh (Aus) - 63.08 (3 Jun 1993 - 2 Jan 1999) - 5.07 years
    29. ED Weekes (WI) - 62.55 (8 Feb 1952 - 4 Jul 1957) - 5.07 years
    30. VS Hazare (Ind) - 62.36 (28 Nov 1947 - 21 Jan 1953) - 5.02 years

    At least five years:
    1. DG Bradman (Aus) - 116.39 (8 Mar 1929 - 18 Aug 1934) - 5.00 years
    2. JB Hobbs (Eng) - 80.09 (11 Mar 1910 - 31 Dec 1920) - 5.20 years
    3. WR Hammond (Eng) - 76.24 (23 Jun 1928 - 31 Mar 1933) - 5.04 years
    4. S Chanderpaul (WI) - 73.80 (7 Jun 2007 - 21 Nov 2012) - 5.10 years
    5. L Hutton (Eng) - 73.16 (27 Dec 1948 - 30 Mar 1954) - 5.01 years
    6. JH Kallis (SA) - 72.30 (7 Sep 2001 - 16 Nov 2007) - 5.65 years
    7. AD Nourse (SA) - 71.95 (24 Dec 1935 - 7 Jun 1951) - 7.34 years
    8. H Sutcliffe (Eng) - 71.43 (19 Dec 1924 - 2 Dec 1932) - 6.62 years
    9. KF Barrington (Eng) - 71.41 (17 Aug 1961 - 19 Jan 1968) - 5.58 years
    10. SJ McCabe (Aus) - 70.95 (10 Feb 1933 - 24 Jun 1938) - 5.17 years
    11. GS Sobers (WI) - 70.65 (4 Apr 1962 - 28 Mar 1968) - 5.11 years
    12. AB de Villiers (SA) - 69.23 (17 Dec 2008 - 20 Feb 2014) - 5.28 years
    13. C Hill (Aus) - 68.54 (13 Dec 1897 - 11 Dec 1903) - 5.52 years
    14. SR Tendulkar (Ind) - 67.87 (2 Jan 1993 - 25 Mar 1998) - 5.39 years
    15. HM Amla (SA) - 67.79 (3 Jan 2010 - 2 Jan 2015) - 5.01 years
    16. IVA Richards (WI) - 67.62 (23 Jan 1976 - 30 Jan 1982) - 5.25 years
    17. GA Headley (WI) - 67.51 (11 Jan 1930 - 21 Jan 1948) - 5.14 years
    18. AR Border (Aus) - 66.90 (26 Dec 1982 - 7 Oct 1988) - 5.62 years
    19. PBH May (Eng) - 66.87 (17 Dec 1954 - 6 Jan 1960) - 5.07 years
    20. CL Walcott (WI) - 66.02 (24 Jun 1950 - 30 May 1957) - 5.45 years
    21. RN Harvey (Aus) - 65.92 (6 Feb 1948 - 9 Jul 1953) - 5.13 years
    22. RT Ponting (Aus) - 65.78 (2 Aug 2001 - 1 Dec 2006) - 5.00 years
    23. WL Murdoch (Aus/Eng) - 65.58 (6 Sep 1880 - 12 Dec 1884) - 5.00 years
    24. KC Sangakkara (SL) - 65.56 (25 May 2006 - 3 Nov 2011) - 5.07 years
    25. Hanif Mohammad (Pak) - 65.37 (11 Oct 1956 - 31 May 1962) - 5.10 years
    26. R Dravid (Ind) - 65.18 (10 Nov 2000 - 21 Jan 2006) - 5.54 years
    27. DCS Compton (Eng) - 64.79 (10 Jun 1938 - 12 Aug 1950) - 5.00 years
    28. SR Waugh (Aus) - 63.37 (3 Jun 1993 - 3 Apr 1999) - 5.35 years
    29. ED Weekes (WI) - 63.37 (27 Mar 1948 - 17 Mar 1954) - 6.17 years
    30. RG Pollock (SA) - 62.93 (6 Dec 1963 - 19 Feb 1970) - 5.53 years
    Hopefully Smith will make it somewhere here in the next update!
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    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. S.R Tendulkar 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.J Procter 9. M.D Marshall 10. S.K Warne 11. G.D McGrath


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    I wonder how someone would be rated within the captioned system if they had identical stats/circumstances as Ambrose except:

    +1 in wpm
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    I have seen the "friendliness" of each and every country. The issue with Sri Lanka is that it's spin "friendliness" comes from the back of Muralithara's stats. It's pace friendliness comes from that of Vaas. During Murali's career span, 1245 wickets at 31 has fallen in SL. Murali accounts for about 40% of them, 493 at 19.6. The rest has taken their 752 wickets at 39.5 (home and away spinners). I am sure, same issue happens when runs scored is considered during Bradman's time, because Bradman will account for half the runs that Australia has scored during that era, especially in Australia. Same may happen with Barnes I suppose. This makes a single star performer to skew the population statistics. Any way to correct this effect?
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    I wonder if there's a way to create a sort of "median" batsman/bowler to account for that.
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    Based on what I've seen of the methodology I personally believe that the era adjustment for modern batsmen is way too harsh. Smith should be much closer to the top of this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Based on what I've seen of the methodology I personally believe that the era adjustment for modern batsmen is way too harsh. Smith should be much closer to the top of this list.
    Dunno if that is the reason. Kohli is at 33, just below Ponting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    I have seen the "friendliness" of each and every country. The issue with Sri Lanka is that it's spin "friendliness" comes from the back of Muralithara's stats. It's pace friendliness comes from that of Vaas. During Murali's career span, 1245 wickets at 31 has fallen in SL. Murali accounts for about 40% of them, 493 at 19.6. The rest has taken their 752 wickets at 39.5 (home and away spinners). I am sure, same issue happens when runs scored is considered during Bradman's time, because Bradman will account for half the runs that Australia has scored during that era, especially in Australia. Same may happen with Barnes I suppose. This makes a single star performer to skew the population statistics. Any way to correct this effect?
    And it gets worse when home spinners alone considered. Home spinners other than Murali has taken 321 wickets at 34.81. Murali has taken 61% of the wickets to fall for SL spinners in SL. It is his performance that makes SL "spin friendly". Other than for Murali, Warne, Ashwin, Vettori, Herath and Swann, all other spinners have struggled in SL, let it be against home or touring batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Based on what I've seen of the methodology I personally believe that the era adjustment for modern batsmen is way too harsh. Smith should be much closer to the top of this list.
    That's not the era adjustment, that's the longevity multiplier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    That's not the era adjustment, that's the longevity multiplier.
    The australia pitches adjustment is probably affecting him too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    I have seen the "friendliness" of each and every country. The issue with Sri Lanka is that it's spin "friendliness" comes from the back of Muralithara's stats. It's pace friendliness comes from that of Vaas. During Murali's career span, 1245 wickets at 31 has fallen in SL. Murali accounts for about 40% of them, 493 at 19.6. The rest has taken their 752 wickets at 39.5 (home and away spinners). I am sure, same issue happens when runs scored is considered during Bradman's time, because Bradman will account for half the runs that Australia has scored during that era, especially in Australia. Same may happen with Barnes I suppose. This makes a single star performer to skew the population statistics. Any way to correct this effect?
    My spreadsheet actually takes care of this.
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    From the last update (after the first test) Smith's average drops from 62.96 to 57.63 while Kohli's goes up from 53.76 to 54.45, which I'm guessing is down to the Australian pitches factor. I'm backing the differential between Smith's average and standardised average to be less after this series though. England has been very bowler friendly in recent seasons, and this is the first time he's completely pilled on the runs in a series there (if we consider his 2015 series to be average by Smith standards).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    My spreadsheet actually takes care of this.
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