He was nasty - a big bloody brick house of a guy who looked extremely scary to face up to. I think Steve Waugh rated one of Patterson's spells as one of the nastiest he'd endured as well. I still think that the bowling line up of Marshall, Ambrose, Patterson and Walsh that the Windies had around that time was the best line up of pace bowlers I've seen, having been too young to take any notice of the teams in the early and mid 80s.
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Is Cam White, Is Good.
yes, if Weldone and pskov stick around, we'll get up to Simon before the night it out.
Excellent glove man and decent batsman rounds out my XI.
1 Chris Gayle
2 Saeed Anwar
3 Viv Richards
4 Clive Lloyd
5 Andrew Symonds
6 Jacob Oram
7 Simon O'Donnell
8 Ian Healy
9 Dennis Lillee
10 Fanie De Villiers
11 Ewan Chatfield
Batting is the strength, many batsman in the side have scored big runs when it matters and everyone in the top 8 has a SR over 80, which is amazing.
Lillee, De Villiers and Chatfield have terrific records, while Oram, O'Donnell and Symonds should ensure the pressure is kept on the opponents.
Gayle, Richards and again Symonds can help with some handy off spinners on occasions.
Lol, the rat with the gold tooth. With Cronje, Malik, Azharuddin, Jadeja, and Gibbs, we certainly have an interesting cast of characters in this draft...
Decent player as well, it must be said.
Two down, one to go hopefully.
The man, the mountain, the Mathews. The greatest all rounder since Keith Miller. (Y)
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With 7170 runs, he's the second anchor in middle-overs that I was looking for once Azhar was gone. This makes my batting line-up a perfect combination of youth and experience, of aggression and caution and of players of different ages, different expertise and different skill sets coming from different countries. And with Saleem, I am getting a 7th bowler as a bonus.
Team so far:
AB de Villiers
"Cricket is an art. Like all arts it has a technical foundation. To enjoy it does not require technical knowledge, but analysis that is not technically based is mere impressionism."
- C.L.R. James
However, a comparison between Srinath and Walsh is far harder to make. They are very different bowlers who played there cricket in very different environments. Despite Srinath having a higher economy rate than Walsh, I think this can be in part attributed to the fact that scoring rates siginficantly increased towards the end of Srinaths career and so the fact that Srinath has a lower average and strike rate needs to be considered.
As much as I am a huge fan of AB, I really think putting him in an all time ODI side as a keeper is a bit much. He has only kept in 8 ODIs, (two of which have occurred since you chose him I think). And although I don't doubt that he could spank even the best bowlers of all time around in the powerplays, the pressure of opening the batting and keeping is immense and will almost certainly detract from him as a batsman.And about de Villiers, I grant your point about his keeping which is probably the only weakness in my team...He is probably as good a wicket-keeper as Dravid, till now...(Though I am very hopeful about him once Boucher retires, but that's another story)...But about his batting, I would say that I gave taken him for the powerplays beside a specialist opener in Haynes...He was great against McGrath and Lee, and I don't think any of the team here has got two better new-ball bowlers than them; so the point you made about his batting against new-ball bowlers is invalid according to me...Moreover, even he he fails sometimes (clearly I don't expect him to make 70 of 75 balls in every match), then I have an equally (in fact, more) great player for the powerplays, namely Ross Taylor...
In the infancy of ODI cricket he averaged a quite ridiculous 47.00. Yes his strike rate wasn't the best (only 68), but in his era that was quite respectable and would undoubtably improve in the modern game with power plays and attacking mentalities. He only played 41 ODIs but his excellent test match record proves he was no fluke on the international stage. He will open up with Greame Smith and allow me to move Watson down to no. 6.
I think that is definitely one of if not the strongest batting line ups drafted. The bowling will have a quality pairing of Garner and Gillespie opening up, a top spinner in Qadir and good support from Watson, Maharoof and Kemp.
My final pick is Moin Khan. Will give my side a bit of depth in the tail batting at number 8. Given the bowlers I have a good keeper was essential. In 219 ODI's he scored 3266 runs @ 23 with a strike rate of 81.30.
1 Nick Knight (100 ODIs - 3637 runs @ 40.41 sr 71.52)
2 Neil Johnson (48 ODIs - 1679 runs @ 36.50 sr 70.2 & 35 wickets @ 34.85)
3 Mark Waugh (244 ODIs - 8500 runs @ 39.35 sr 76.9 & 85 wickets @ 34.56)
4 Nathan Astle (223 ODIs - 7090 runs @ 34.92 sr 72.64 & 99 wickets @ 38.47)
5 Roger Twose (87 ODIs - 2717 runs @ 38.81 sr 75.4 & 4 wickets @ 58.75)
6 Robin Smith (71 ODIs - 2419 runs @ 39.01 sr 69.65)
7 Imran Khan* (175 ODIs - 3709 runs @ 33.41 sr 72.65 & 182 wickets @ 26.61)
8 Moin Khan+ (219 ODIs - 3266 runs @ 23.00 sr 81.30 - 287 dismissals)
9 Wasim Akram (356 ODIs - 3717 runs @ 16.52 sr 88.33 & 502 wickets @ 23.52)
10 Shane Warne (194 ODIs - 1018 runs @ 13.05 sr 72.04 & 293 wickets @ 25.73)
11 Darren Gough (159 ODIs - 609 runs @ 12.42 sr 64.3 & 235 wickets @ 26.42)
Pretty nice team there!
GI Joe is up.
Team so far:
Gary Kirsten (LHB, 185 ODIs, 6798 runs @ 40.95, 10% no, sr 72.04)
Gautam Gambhir (LHB, 66 ODIs, 2251 runs @ 37.51, 9% no, sr 82.75)
Kevin Pietersen (RHB, 87 ODIs, 3047 runs @ 48.36, 19% no, sr 87.58)
Greg Chappell (RHB, 74 ODIs, 2331 runs @ 40.18, 20% no, sr 75.70, RM, 72 wickets @ 29.12, er 4.04, sr 43.1, 7 opm)
Damien Martyn (RHB, 208 ODIs, 5346 runs @ 40.80, 28% no, sr 77.73)
Mahendra Singh Dhoni + (RHB, 127 ODIs, 4019 runs @ 47.28, 25% no, sr 90.74, 126 catches and 40 stumpings)
Albie Morkel (LHB, 35 ODIs, 432 runs @ 24, 21% no, sr 102.12, RFM, 41 wickets @ 30.53, er 5.22, sr 35, 6.8 opm)
Andy Roberts (RHB, 56 ODIs, 231 runs @ 10.04, 16% no, sr 64.70, RF, 87 wickets @ 20.35, er 3.40, sr 35.8, 9.2 opm)
Damien Fleming (RHB, 88 ODIs, 152 runs @ 11.69, 58% no, sr 68.77, RFM, 134 wickets @ 25.38, er 4.41, sr 34.4, 8.74 opm)
Derek Underwood (RHB, 26 ODIs, 53 runs @ 5.88, 30% no, sr 39.84, SLA, 32 wickets @ 22.93, er 3.44, sr 39.9, 8.19 opm)
Terry Alderman (RHB, 65 ODIs, 32 runs @ 2.66, 30% no, sr 32.98, RFM, 88 wickets @ 23.36, er 3.65, sr 38.3, 8.64 opm)
Batting stats (Top 7)
Mahendra Singh Dhoni
Batting averages (desc order) - 48, 47, 40, 40, 40, 37, 24.
Strike rates (desc order) - 102, 90, 87, 82, 77, 75, 72.
Bowling stats (6 bowlers)
Bowling averages (desc order) - 20, 22, 23, 25, 29, 30.
Strike rates (desc order) - 34, 35, 35, 38, 39, 43.
Economy rates (desc order) - 3.4, 3.4, 3.6, 4.0, 4.4, 5.22.
Are we still going for the 12th man?
Yes mate going for the 12th man.
I like GIJ's team by the way. I do apologize questioning Morkel's selection as I said this without looking at the rest of your lineup. He didn't seem a very good selection until looking at your team and what you needed.
Long tail, if you can get through that middle order you might have chance.
Woot! My final smokey makes it through to me.
Justin Langer as my second opener
In any other country/period would have played a heap more, but was ridiculously labelled a test match specialist.
His limited ODI record is excellent and Somerset and the WA Warriors would attest that he's an excellent 50 over player. Some selections with such a limited international one day record, you'd worry how they'd step up, but the ability to compete and thrive in the toughest conditions is something you would never question about JL.
Gilly will love batting with him as well - they combined many times in tests and state games.
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