India's Next Captain

[Richard]

Way to miss the point on both counts.

2nd granted. But 1st? No way. Mike Brearley was a very fine batsman - only reason his Test record is so modest is because he made his debut as a 34-year-old with serious captaincy credentials. Specialist captains are not the way to go IMO - Brearley wouldn't have been retained but for the runs he'd scored in domestic cricket.

 

[Richard]

Yeah I don't think Sehwag is a flat track bully either (well, at least not to the extent that he is being made out to) - he made a hundred on a seaming Trent Bridge wicket in 2002 and grabbed a couple of hundreds in those garden like wickets in New Zealand (where noone else did)

Uh uh uh. There was no seam in that pitch. It was swinging plenty and it was a fine innings, certainly (unlike those against the swing thereafter) but that was no seaming pitch.

Also, in case you missed, his scores in the Tests in New Zealand were 2, 12, 1.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

2nd granted. But 1st? No way. Mike Brearley was a very fine batsman - only reason his Test record is so modest is because he made his debut as a 34-year-old with serious captaincy credentials. Specialist captains are not the way to go IMO - Brearley wouldn't have been retained but for the runs he'd scored in domestic cricket.

Tongue firmly in cheek...

 

[Richard]

Except Brian Lara was not struggling with the bat. So no, it's a totally different situation.

Not to the extent Tendulkar has been, no, but Lara's average in the 10 innings before he was given the captaincy again was 35. And on the most recent occasion in 13 innings it was 36.61 which owed almost everything to one double-century.

It's still worth a bit IMO. I can see worse things to do to Tendulkar right now than give him the Test captaincy.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Not to the extent Tendulkar has been, no, but Lara's average in the 10 innings before he was given the captaincy again was 35.

And his 10 innings before that (ignoring the Super"Test") were 48, 196, 4, 176, 13, 4, 130, 48, 153, 0. It's a huge difference to the situation of Tendulkar.

 

[Richard]

As I say - depends on how far back you want to go.

Lara before that was in superb touch, but that was quite a few months before.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

As I say - depends on how far back you want to go.

Lara before that was in superb touch, but that was quite a few months before.

He was scoring 4 hundreds in 5 Tests less than a year before he was given the captaincy again. I think that clearly differentiates him from Tendulkar's situation.

 

[Anil]

i'd say keep dravid...if we really want to go for a change, as a short-term measure, go for ganguly, there is no one else who has captaincy credentials and is assured of a place in both tests and odis right now....

 

[adharcric]

I feel sorry for our team if a guy like Singh (and Kaif), who are not even test quality batsmen, get the captaincy.

The future? No way.

Plus, I don't get all this Dravid-bashing all of a sudden. Did we not just win in SA for the first time in our history? Or win a series in the carribean for the first time in 35 years?

Yea, so he had a bad 50 overs against Bangladesh. Big deal. In any case, the problems that plague Indian cricket, most of which have been written about in other threads, will not go away with the change in captaincy/coach. Something much more fundamental has to change. It's like taking tylenol for a brain tumor.

I was under the impression that we would only replace Dravid as the one-day captain. Is it just me?

 

[Richard]

Don't think that way of thinking registers with ss, TBH.

 

[adharcric]

He has had a specific problem with the incoming delivery, but I don't think he's a flat-track bully. He has scored runs against McGrath and Gillespie when the rest of team barely managed anything.

In recent times, he's been a flat-track bully. He doesn't seem to be anywhere close to rectifying that technical glitch. The shot-selection is horrific.

 

[adharcric]

If the administrators of the game start feeling that way, I'm going to have to kill myself tbh.

 

[adharcric]

But we all know Kaif can bat. The question is, can he score runs?

The real question is, will the management give him the best opportunity to score runs?

 

[Pup Clarke]

Will Kaif automatically be brought back into the side though?.A captain should be someone who is well established in the team IMO.

 

[adharcric]

Will Kaif automatically be brought back into the side though?.A captain should be someone who is well established in the team IMO.

Clearly, he needs to be selected and secure his place in the side first. He's really only a candidate for the one-day captaincy IMO - no way in hell either he or Yuvraj will become test regulars yet. Laxman, Ganguly or Tendulkar need to retire or **** up for that to happen.

 

[Pup Clarke]

I'd like to see the following X1 for the ODI's vs Bangladesh in May.

Sourav Ganguly
Robin Uthappa
Rahul Dravid (Best at 3 IMO)
Sachin Tendulkar
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni
Irfan Pathan
Ramesh Powar
Sreesanth
Zaheer Khan
Munaf Patel

 

[adharcric]

It might not be such a bad idea to *rest* Ganguly, Dravid and Tendulkar. Bring in Gambhir, Kaif and Badrinath. C Yuvraj, VC Kaif for the series. Thoughts?

 

[Pup Clarke]

It might not be such a bad idea to *rest* Ganguly, Dravid and Tendulkar. Bring in Gambhir, Kaif and Badrinath. C Yuvraj, VC Kaif for the series. Thoughts?

Good thinking TBH.Rest some of the "star" players and bring in some players proven in first class cricket and who have played for the A team

Revised line up

Gautham Gambhir
Robin Uthappa
Mohammed Kaif
Subnaraniam Badrinath
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni
Irfan Pathan/Suresh Raina
Ramesh Powar
Sreesanth
Zaheer Khan
Munaf Patel

 

[shankar]

In recent times, he's been a flat-track bully. He doesn't seem to be anywhere close to rectifying that technical glitch. The shot-selection is horrific.

Which non-minnow has he bullied recently even on flat tracks? He's just been poor period.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Which non-minnow has he bullied recently even on flat tracks? He's just been poor period.

Not recently but Pakistan took the full brunt of Sehwag's flat trck bully title.He got hundreds of runs agianst them between 2004 and 2005.