Changes required for the Indian odi side

[Arjun]

If the BCCI had any will to help the Domestic game, it would have made sure stars play in these games as much as possible for one. These matches are given no attention to whatsover by BCCI which is sad. Cricket is so popular in India is only partially true. It is totally badly marketed domestically and effort like the that by hockey right now (professional Hockey League) or an iota of an efort to how they care about the domestic cricket and dont want to just get on with it at miminal cost would be some thing we can only wish for.

One can only hope Advocate Mehra's PIL raises a storm. Hockey, according to many, is not as popular as cricket, yet effort has been put in to promote the game with the PHL. If cricket is so popular, why are fans so indifferent towards domestic matches? They talk of Dalmiya's efforts to market the game, but what has he ever done to help the game? Have the players' coffers overflowing for nothing?

Zee Sports, Subhash Chandra's weapon to fight ESPN/STAR and gain telecast rights for events within India, had plans of telecasting domestic matches. Since it's not sleepy old D(p)oorDarshan, you might expect something more dynamic. The sooner the channel goes on air and starts covering the matches, the better.

 

[honestbharani]

I heard that ESPN/Star had made a big offer for domestic cricket as well, in fact, something along the lines of the PHL, which had big inputs from the ESPN/Star guys.

 

[Choora]

And why can't he return? just because you don't trust him

Haha very funny. I never said that he can't return because i don't trust him.Its just that most people connected with the game share my sentiments (fortunately or unfortunately).

I don't think he can ever make a comeback, and to expect him to lead Indian side again is UNTHINKABLE.

 

[Arjun]

I heard that ESPN/Star had made a big offer for domestic cricket as well, in fact, something along the lines of the PHL, which had big inputs from the ESPN/Star guys.

Must be in the late 90's, but then came DD Sport, who charged almost nothing, and took away those offers. Yet, they still show reruns of athletic and gymnastic events in Central Europe, dubious as they are, but don't show domestic cricket.

 

[wahindiawah]

Haha very funny. I never said that he can't return because i don't trust him.Its just that most people connected with the game share my sentiments (fortunately or unfortunately).

How can you be so sure? have you been having meeting with the cricket team selectors lately ?

I would rather go by the ruling of the court which have ruled Ajay innocent rather than believe the rumors of his innolvement in MF. Its a shame to see ppl like you not respecting the ruling of the court.

 

[Arjun]

Even as a few changes may be made to the main team, a second team (backup) must also be kept ready, with some strategic/selection goals to be achieved.

 

[SJS]

How can you be so sure? have you been having meeting with the cricket team selectors lately ?

I would rather go by the ruling of the court which have ruled Ajay innocent rather than believe the rumors of his innolvement in MF. Its a shame to see ppl like you not respecting the ruling of the court.

One doesnt have to meet selectors for this, Wahwah.

If one moves in cricketing circles, meaning cricketers present and past in the majpor centres, Delhi, Mumbai, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu etc. one hears a lot of talk. People who will refuse to talk on camera for obvious reasons talk pretty freely in private amongst other cricketers even at the local level.

The talk is so uniformly one sided that some of the things being said all over have too be looked at as being more than just malicious gossip mongering.

One cant say more than this.

As far as court ruling is concerned, it is limited to what is in front of it, which is limited by how far the prosecution/prosecuting agancies are willing to push. Normally it is not too far after the public attention has waned.

Unfortunately this does not take too long in our country.

 

[Arjun]

Just tells you how vested interests have got the better of the team's needs not infrequently in Indian cricket.

 

[Pratters]

Also the fact that no cricketer has come out in support of or stating the prospect of Jadeja playing publicly does show their wariness of Jadeja and how they would not like him to be a part of the team. They know the guy more than we do obviously.

Based on purely cricketing abilities though, I would love to see him get another chance in the team.

 

[SJS]

Based on purely cricketing abilities though, I would love to see him get another chance in the team.

Sure. He is India's Bevan. He understands the one day format and its needs and has the ability to time the gear change better than anyone else in the game in India. Add to that his excellent running between the wickets, his fielding and his peppy personality and he would be an asset anytime.

 

[honestbharani]

Sure. He is India's Bevan. He understands the one day format and its needs and has the ability to time the gear change better than anyone else in the game in India. Add to that his excellent running between the wickets, his fielding and his peppy personality and he would be an asset anytime.

I would beg to differ here, I don't think he can bring anything more to this current Indian ODI side than what Kaif and Yuvi have already brought. And I don't see him getting in ahead of Sourav, Sachin, Sehwag, Rahul or even Laxman. All of them are better batters than him.

 

[Pratters]

I would beg to differ here, I don't think he can bring anything more to this current Indian ODI side

You havent seen Jadeja at his best as an ODI player..

 

[honestbharani]

No, mate, I have seen almost all of the ODIs he has played. He was of limited use in countries like Australia and New Zealand, while he did not cover himself with glory in South Africa or West Indies either. In England too, he never looked comfortable. So, overall, he was a very good ODI player when those ODIs were held in the familiar sub continental surroundings. His fielding was outstanding but his bowling was always mediocre. So, overall, like I said, I don't think he can add anything to this Indian ODI side.

 

[Pratters]

He was of limited use in countries like Australia and New Zealand, while he did not cover himself with glory in South Africa or West Indies either. In England too, he never looked comfortable.

Mistaken.
http://statserver.cricket.org/guru/...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

Jadeja in One dayers outside India :-


Benson & Hedges World Cup (Aus/Eng/Ind/NZ/Pak/SA/SL/WI/Zim) in New
Zealand/Australia, 1991/92 [Tournament]
Pak 6 5 1 93 46 27 13* 23.25 0 0 0
His Debut so pardon him that one in Australia mostly

India in South Africa, 1992/93 [Series]
SA 6 6 0 112 48 20 18 18.66 0 0 0
Failed horribly in this as well where India lost 5-2 and most Indian batsmen struggled

India in New Zealand, 1993/94 [Series]
- 4 4 0 201 68 59 56 50.25 0 3 0
Excellent performance there

New Zealand Centenary Tournament (Aus/Ind/NZ/SA) in New Zealand, 1994/95
[Tournament]
Aus 2 2 0 36 29 7 - 18.00 0 0 0
Just two matches..

Texaco Trophy (Eng/Ind) in England, 1996 [Series]
Eng 3 3 1 73 33 29 11* 36.50 0 0 0
Good performance

Sahara 'Friendship' Cup (Ind/Pak) in Canada, 1996 [Series]
Pak 5 4 1 111 47 23 21* 37.00 0 0 0
Good performance

Standard Bank International One-Day Series (Ind/SA/Zim) in South Africa,
1996/97 [Tournament]
SA 8 8 1 187 56* 36 32 26.71 0 1 0
Okay he was never good in SAF

India in West Indies, 1996/97 [Series]
WI 4 3 0 96 68 19 9 32.00 0 1 0
Good performance

Sahara 'Friendship' Cup (Ind/Pak) in Canada, 1997 [Series]
Ind 6 4 2 129 49 37* 23* 64.50 0 0 0
Good performance

ICC World Cup (Aus/BD/Eng/Ind/Ken/NZ/Pak/SA/Sco/SL/WI/Zim) in
England/Ireland/Scotland/Netherlands, 1999 [Tournament]
Aus 8 7 1 285 100* 76 43 47.50 1 1 0
Another good performance

1996-2000, he didnt play much one day tournaments outside sub continent/uae/singapore which gave you the impression he may not be that adequate outside subcontinent.

Jadeja was excellent in th bowling friendly pitches of New Zealand and also good in England, Canada, adequate in West Indies, never played enough in Australia except 1992 when he was inexperienced. He only failed in SAF and every one is worthy of blemish in one country.

And even 30 runs by Jadeja would be crucial in a one day inning if you remember how he played.

He was never an awesome bowler and so his bowling shouldnt be considered while analysing him as a player. Quite a good fielder and utility one day batsman who would be more than useful in the current ODI side..

 

[honestbharani]

You are missing the point, how many not outs did he have in all those matches? I am not denying his not outs during good innings but they definitely bulge up his average and sort of make up for his poor scores.

 

[Pratters]

You are missing the point, how many not outs did he have in all those matches? I am not denying his not outs during good innings but they definitely bulge up his average and sort of make up for his poor scores.

India in Nzl @ above 50 0 not outs

India in Canada @ 37 one out of 5 not out

India in Windies @ 32 zero not outs

Sahara 97 - remove the not outs and avg still above 30

World Cup 99 @ 47.5 one not out

Whats your point again?

 

[honestbharani]

Okay, so the averages did not bulge because of not outs. I accept that. But you still see that his runs were not big enough to nudge into the current side ahead of the top four and his can only contribute, at best, what Kaif and Yuvi are contributing already. So where would he find a place in the side, even if the MF thing did not happen?

 

[Pratters]

Okay, so the averages did not bulge because of not outs. I accept that. But you still see that his runs were not big enough to nudge into the current side ahead of the top four and his can only contribute, at best, what Kaif and Yuvi are contributing already. So where would he find a place in the side, even if the MF thing did not happen?

Just look at the number of series in which he failed abroad. Compare that with inconsistent Yuvraj and Kaif and Laxman for that matter..

Jadeja gave good runs lower down the order and his runs were always very valuable.

 

[honestbharani]

The problem with him was he never was able to score big match winning runs when we got into trouble early. He scored a few 50s and 60s but never more than that. India never won a match after losing wickets early during that phase. It famously led to a lot of people saying "Get Sachin out, Watch India fold". With Yuvi, he is producing the big rescue innings more often than Jadeja ever did. Plus, I do not see how Jadeja could be called better in the field than Yuvi. As for Laxman, if you have read my recent posts, you will see that I have always said that he should not find a place in the ODI side, especially if we go back to playing a specialist keeper.

 

[Pratters]

The problem with him was he never was able to score big match winning runs when we got into trouble early. He scored a few 50s and 60s but never more than that.

Okay you first said he sucked abroad which he didnt. Then you said he had the runs inflated due to not outs which is also not a fact.

Centuries? How many did Bevan make batting at number 6-7. Must be more than Jadeja but as I said, Jadeja played so much lower down the order, he didnt have much chance to score big runs.

Hence also the not outs which also seem to be having a problem with you though thankfully it doesnt appear so much in his abroad averages.

Neither was he inconsistent. So what is your problem with him?