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    Quote Originally Posted by Choora
    kumble would last till 2007? i seriously doubt that. I would go for harb over karthik anyday though. The second pacer that should be in the team should either be Zaheer or Balaji, both of whome have potential to deliver.

    And you didn't mentioned as to who should be the captain of the side? (as you have discarded Ganguly from the team)
    Every one thought Kumble would retire in a year after Srinath's retirement. He is bowling in the best form of his career though right now. Considering he shouldnt logically consider quitting before 500 wickets which would be a year and half away, he might as well play in 2007. He is proving more aluable than ever before.

    Dravid/Tendulkar would be captain. Tendulkar toally flopped as a captain two times earlier but he had virtually no team support or the backing of the selectors. I doubt that will happen currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterblaster10

    Just cause Dravid is too good a player it does not mean he suits the One Days. I agree he forms the backbone of batting line up...but only for Test matches.
    On tricky wickets, where technique is required, Dravid and Tendulkar are equally valuable to the one day side. Dravid is a crucial member of the one day side and does suit the one day game as well. Australia has a different side in both formats because they have too much talent which isnt obviously a bad thing. And Dravid isnt poor with the one day strike rate. It appears so because he builds his inning up, coring a bit slowly in the beginning and faster later on. He is a situational player who can adopt and is crucial to the success of the Indian one day team.

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    i'll be very interested to see who fills the allrounder role for india in ODI's in the coming years
    If Sehwag practises his bowling and Pathan, his boundary-hitting, that would solve the problem to some extent. But the man to pick is Ramesh Powar. As a senior journalist from the Mumbai edition of the Times of India said, it is shocking that he is left out. He is more aggressive and crafty with the ball than Harbhajan and Karthik, trying to get wickets more often. He is among India's top bowlers every season and he supports it with some unusual but effective batting. The way he took on Shoaib Akhtar shows he's a tough nut, a hard hitter of the ball and one who plays for a win all the time.

    Reetinder Singh Sodhi has become a better player since Punjab had Intikhab Alam as coach. His batting is no more wayward, but more focussed, and he has a 250* opening the innings. He may be miscast as an opener, but that innings shows how capable a batsman he is. He too is aggressive, going for the shots and also running between wickets very fast. His bowling, with a change in action, has also seen an improvement- he is taking wickets with an average of 27. His fielding is the best in India, given his speed, reflexes and accurate direct throws. If not in the XI, he will be a very effective substitute fielder. However, he must finish a full season playing for Punjab, who have a very good chance of winning the Ranji trophy.

    Then there is Mahendra Singh Dhoni, a wicketkeeper who is also an insanely aggressive batsman, with an average of over 50 in List-A's. He shot to fame with a smashing perfromance in a triangular involving the Pakistan-A team and Kenya, and was severe on Pakistani second XI. He gets his runs in big shots, but can also run very fast between wickets. His timing needs a little work and he needs to adapt to slower wickets. Plus, his keeping is neither technically correct nor fast, so he has to be more careful- luckily, there have been no major spills so far. Definitely the best all-rounder at hand along with Ramesh Powar.
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    Dravid/Tendulkar would be captain. Tendulkar toally flopped as a captain two times earlier but he had virtually no team support or the backing of the selectors. I doubt that will happen currently.
    Tendulkar would make a terrific captain at this stage. He's not as negative as the current captain and you can notice that in the person that he is- he gets along well with everyone. Being the best player in the team, he will set a very good example, not just in batting, but in every other aspect of the game, particularly fielding.

    Dravid is a captain who thinks out of the box. Not too bad. However, the best option would be Sehwag. He is very positive with the bat and also with the ball, and that acn rub off on his captaincy. Slightly controversial choice, but for someone who responds to a rough ball with a big shot (or Shoaib's 'begging' with a wisecrack) will make a very good captain.


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    Laxman has played so much more than Mongia higher up the order. And Mongia hasnt been ever iven a run for a long period. I am not uggestin Mongia is better. We dont know how good he would be at the top level with conviction right now though.
    Mongia has been a regular since 2002, till the TVS Cup, 2003. In that space, he has just 4 scores of over 50. IF you had seen him bat, you would know he's a weak link in the batting lineup.
    Bu it gives him NO right to throw his wicket away almost carelessly as much as he has done. It is one thing which is criminal in cricketing terms and if you arent consistent and throw it all away after making 30-40 runs, you dont deserve to stay in a team.
    If he played with a straight bat more often, he would be getting out a lot less. If you can pull up Laxman for this, why not apply the same standard for Ganguly, Mongia, Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dravid? What have they done better than him? Frankly, he's always been singled out for the team's failures all the time. Besides, he gets out without making a start but when he makes a start, he gets a big score. Remember the last match in Kolkata? He was effective in the first 15 overs, hitting boundaries effortlessly and running a few singles as well.

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    Consider three of Rahul Dravid's innings- Against NZ in Vishakapatnam, he scored 50 in just 22 balls. Then, in a practice match in Pakistan, he made 90 in 63 balls. In the main match that followed, he made 90, at a strike rate of close to 100. Why can't he do this more often?

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    There are a handful of players India can try before the cup in 2007. Australia have chopped Bevan cos it believes he wont be as good in 2007. Indian bowlers are better batsmen than ever before which offers depth in batting. Bhajji, Pathan, Zaheer are far better batsmen than Srinath, Prasad and the likes.

    Dravid shouldnt be asked to keep any more as I dont think he will keep ultimately in 2007.

    I have not been impressed by Dhoni at all. He List A runs you mention he scored, dont forget he was asked to bat higher up the order in the African countries India toured to boost his averages. Normal openers were asked to bat lower down! Dhoni is a phase in Indian cricket.

    Every one murdered me when I said Patel should spend time in domestic cricket before he achieves any standard ad look where he is now. I would personally stick with Karthik for both forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    If you can pull up Laxman for this, why not apply the same standard for Ganguly, Mongia, Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dravid? What have they done better than him? Frankly, he's always been singled out for the team's failures all the time. Besides, he gets out without making a start but when he makes a start, he gets a big score. Remember the last match in Kolkata? He was effective in the first 15 overs, hitting boundaries effortlessly and running a few singles as well.
    I am singling out Ganguly and Laxman for there carelessness. Sehwag bats at the top of the order and losing hi wicket for an explosive start cant be faulted. He does manage big runs too when he gets them. Ganguly was effective at opening and thi i precisely why he would love to open but cant jut teplace Sehwa or Tendulkar at the top of the order

    Yuvraj gets leser overs and has to take more risk though he has alo been guilty at times. Mongia I havent seen as much to comment at the international stage.

    There i no excuse for throwing the wicket away after etting your eye in and making those first 25-30 run. Laxman ha been guilty of getting starts and then throwing it all away.

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    I have not been impressed by Dhoni at all. He List A runs you mention he scored, dont forget he was asked to bat higher up the order in the African countries India toured to boost his averages. Normal openers were asked to bat lower down! Dhoni is a phase in Indian cricket.
    About the tour of the African countries, he only played in the KEnya leg, but boosted his average not against Kenya, but Pakistan-A! This same team defeated the Indian Seniors once. If you want a wicketkeeper who can bat, better get one who can score quickly, and can find a way into a top six. Dhoni is just that. Give him a longer run and the team will benefit.
    I would personally stick with Karthik for both forms.
    Karthik is too specialist a keeper, and too defensive with the bat. Powar is a more productive batsman and if Pathan took his batting seriously, he'd be more effective than Dinesh Karthik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    About the tour of the African countries, he only played in the KEnya leg, but boosted his average not against Kenya, but Pakistan-A
    I found it totally obnoxious as to how he was allowed to bat higher up the order when specialist openers alo wanted to have a go at getting noticed by the selectors.

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    Yuvraj gets leser overs and has to take more risk though he has alo been guilty at times.
    That is not an excuse. He bats at positions, from where some batsmen get close to 100 runs. In Dhaka, he batted at Number 3 and scored just one run, while a Nondescript Number Nine (who is a bowler first) got 30 runs in 20 balls. His batting average is less than 30 this year. However, if he can build on good, solid starts made by the batsmen above him and score lots of runs quickly, he can be a long-term prospect and a more or less permanent choice.

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    I found it totally obnoxious as to how he was allowed to bat higher up the order when specialist openers alo wanted to have a go at getting noticed by the selectors
    Chopra was injured. They only opened with Jadhav and Gambhir. Sriram now bats in the middle order, and that's better for him. Dhoni batted at four in most of the matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    That is not an excuse. He bats at positions, from where some batsmen get close to 100 runs. In Dhaka, he batted at Number 3 and scored just one run, while a Nondescript Number Nine (who is a bowler first) got 30 runs in 20 balls. His batting average is less than 30 this year. However, if he can build on good, solid starts made by the batsmen above him and score lots of runs quickly, he can be a long-term prospect and a more or less permanent choice.
    http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_data..._KKD_06008813/

    arthik has a decent FC average which shows he can bat. Horrible OD average of 8 though. Played very less matches too. I am unaware how defensive or agressive a player he is but his batting can be improved pon. No one thought Pathan would even have the potential to develop into an allrounder. He does have the potential. Karthi's keeping has been good which is saying a lot after seeing the crap keepers playing for India over the last decade. A better batting would make him a keeper India needs. If India needs an average keeper and good batsman combination, might as well stick with Dravid keeping.
    Last edited by Pratters; 09-01-2005 at 07:59 AM.

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    They need a second line of pace bowlers ready- the best choice would be Gagandeep, Bhandari (especially), RP Singh, Salvi (if fit), JP Yadav (despite lack of pace), Joginder (with a change in action) and Vikram Singh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    Chopra was injured. They only opened with Jadhav and Gambhir. Sriram now bats in the middle order, and that's better for him. Dhoni batted at four in most of the matches.
    So that would mean not givin the middle order batsmen adequate chances. Dhoni should have batted much lower and was favoured to make uns and get into the side because his potential was assumed very early. This is how I see it. Certainly more so after seeing he isnt a quality keeper as well.

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