Windies Team Discussion, and Other Related Things Thread

[Beamer]

Meanwhile CWI are silent. No financial transparency whatsoever.

If things are this bad, we deserve to know why. Are board members still flying around the world first class, whilst the amount of cricket we play is reduced to nothing? Is sponsorship income that low? Will we even see live streaming this year? Its a complete scandal.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Meanwhile CWI are silent. No financial transparency whatsoever.

If things are this bad, we deserve to know why. Are board members still flying around the world first class, whilst the amount of cricket we play is reduced to nothing? Is sponsorship income that low? Will we even see live streaming this year? Its a complete scandal.

We got some money from advancing to the super8 of the recent t20 world cup

The system needs a major revamp. We have talented youths circling around the waters…but the waters are not conducive for anything productive

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I had no idea that these guys were still playing cricket,

Corruption in Bim10 Barbados - Javon Searles, Trevon Griffith and Chitranjan Rathod provisionally suspended | ESPNcricinfo

 

[Cacofonix the Bard]

You lads looking forward to a three match first class championship next season? Cricket in the region is broken.

so, to summarise the alleged new format for the 4 day comp

all six teams will play three games in the group stage, however these three games will be versus the same opposition. so for instance, jamaica v barbados three times (lol). this will all be held on one island so this makes even less sense, unless the lengths of the cost cutting are that brutal.

the teams who finished second and third in the group will then meet in a play off to go through to the final.

the team who finished first in the group, will then play the WEST INDIES ACADEMY for the right to go through to the final. the WIA coming through like a final boss and potentially playing in the final after doing nothing to get there lol

This is absolutely brutal, ****ing hell. What is wrong with them

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

This is absolutely brutal, ****ing hell. What is wrong with them

The writing’s been on the wall for a few seasons now.

A logistics nightmare

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

The Barbados Cricket Association yesterday named the 13-member squad, which includes Joshua Bishop, Leniko Boucher, Shian Brathwaite, Jonathan Drakes, Johann Layne, Kyle Mayers, Jair McAllister, Shayne Moseley, Ramon Simmonds, Shamar Springer, Jomel Warrican and Kevin Wickham.

Brathwaite to captain Pride in West Indies First-Class Championship opener - Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation

Kraigg back to the captaincy position.

 

[Beamer]

The Barbados Cricket Association yesterday named the 13-member squad, which includes Joshua Bishop, Leniko Boucher, Shian Brathwaite, Jonathan Drakes, Johann Layne, Kyle Mayers, Jair McAllister, Shayne Moseley, Ramon Simmonds, Shamar Springer, Jomel Warrican and Kevin Wickham.

Brathwaite to captain Pride in West Indies First-Class Championship opener - Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation

Kraigg back to the captaincy position.

No Shaqkere Parris, despite being one of the more talented young middle order batters over the last couple of years.

I can't get enthusiastic about this 4 day season, it all seems farcical.

 

[ImpatientLime]

West Indies finances were posted overnight.

$28.5m loss last year.
$26m loss projected this year .

https://cricviz-westindies-production.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/2025_Separate_Audited_Financial_Statements.pdf

 

[icyman]

Dunno if my point deserves a separate thread or not here-

I feel the West Indies must be disbanded. No other group of nations plays together in any other sport. Why should WI be the only exception? Their performances have been below par for many years and the only category they seem to want to perform is T20. Note that here too, their players are content being T20 peddlers for leagues around the World.

One may argue that Afg, Zim and some European nations too have players indulging in T20 leagues around the world, but with the WI, we have seen revolt from the players over the years. Their players have no sense of national pride whatsoever (WI is not a country). Disband them, atleast the nations would then want to be competitive.

With cricket in Olympics fast becoming a reality, one cannot allow this collaboration of nations to string together a team and play in the Olympics. Imagine, if India, England and Australia tied up together to play as one team.

 

[ImpatientLime]

yes yes good idea, take a weak team and make them weaker by splitting them up. what could go wrong?

 

[icyman]

yes yes good idea, take a weak team and make them weaker by splitting them up. what could go wrong?

They are hardly competitive. The ICC has given them resources over the years, but the players don't have any patriotic affinity towards the team they represent (as such a nation by that name does not exist).

Look at the data- they have consistently underperformed over the past decade- hardly there in Test cricket, didn't qualify for CWC 2023 and no one missed them. Almost got knocked out of the qualifying for CWC 2019. Their only presence is T20i cricket, where they have to beg players to come and represent them. They don't bring in revenue to World Cricket- I am sure Afghanistan matches earn more moolah, so why not split them up?

Furthermore, this was the reasoning employed during the split of East Africa. So, why not WI?

 

[ImpatientLime]

you're using some very loaded terminology which doesn't play out in reality. where are you getting the idea from that they players are having to be 'begged' to come and play for the west indies?

do you think that these players are going to discover this missing 'patriotic affinity' when their new national team can only provide them a fraction of the match fees that the west indies previously could and does away with their central contracts?

the big three generate something insane like 92% of the revenue of the full member boards. west indies cricket is unbelievably complex and putting their woes down to a supposed lack of interest in wearing the maroon misses the point entirely.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

We are in this thing to rally

Guyana as a singular team, an associate one at that will ultimately see us sink even further.

The dream is still to play for the West Indies

 

[icyman]

you're using some very loaded terminology which doesn't play out in reality. where are you getting the idea from that they players are having to be 'begged' to come and play for the west indies?

do you think that these players are going to discover this missing 'patriotic affinity' when their new national team can only provide them a fraction of the match fees that the west indies previously could and does away with their central contracts?

the big three generate something insane like 92% of the revenue of the full member boards. west indies cricket is unbelievably complex and putting their woes down to a supposed lack of interest in wearing the maroon misses the point entirely.

The players might discover-you never know. See, I wouldn't have had a problem had the Caribbean Isles been coming together in every sport. But, this tends to happen only in cricket and perhaps only for the sole reason that they won 2 World Cups. Else, they would have been disbanded long ago. The real reason ICC brough them together was due to the lack of cricketing infra in these smaller islands (i.e. when they were under Colonial rule). This was the reason for East Africa coming together and they split later as the infra grew in those countries. WI never bothered because of the 2 World Cups they won.

As for my first statement, you may look up Darren Sammy's comment relating to the same. Sammy expressed his frustrations over the same.

The Big 3 generate revenue- yes. Mismanagement of funds within WICB means that the game is not developed at the grass roots level. However, that still does not rule out the fact there's a large number of current players who would rather become T20 peddlers than turn out for the WI- Narine, Pollard, Russell, Bravo are good examples of those havent been near WI cricket since their league cricket highs.

 

[icyman]

We are in this thing to rally

Guyana as a singular team, an associate one at that will ultimately see us sink even further.

The dream is still to play for the West Indies

Why? Does Guyana not play any other sport? Do they not perform well there? If WI is interested in playing only one format of cricket, which is evident from the players and boards- split them up- T20 is a fickle game and anyone can win on any given day! The belief that the team will do poorly is, in itself to blame.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Why? Does Guyana not play any other sport? Do they not perform well there? If WI is interested in playing only one format of cricket, which is evident from the players and boards- split them up- T20 is a fickle game and anyone can win on any given day! The belief that the team will do poorly is, in itself to blame.

We have a rich history, served world cricket with some legendary cricketers…most of whom came before most of us were born. We love our cricket…and West Indies is our pride.

 

[icyman]

We have a rich history, served world cricket with some legendary cricketers…most of whom came before most of us were born. We love our cricket…and West Indies is our pride.

Exactly! You are relying far too much on history, Sir!

Had you not had a great history, you, yourself would be clamouring for a split. WI is your pride only cause they won 2 World Cups. Had they not, had they been similar to East Africa, don't think they would have lasted this long.

 

[ImpatientLime]

The players might discover-you never know. See, I wouldn't have had a problem had the Caribbean Isles been coming together in every sport. But, this tends to happen only in cricket and perhaps only for the sole reason that they won 2 World Cups. Else, they would have been disbanded long ago. The real reason ICC brough them together was due to the lack of cricketing infra in these smaller islands (i.e. when they were under Colonial rule). This was the reason for East Africa coming together and they split later as the infra grew in those countries. WI never bothered because of the 2 World Cups they won.

As for my first statement, you may look up Darren Sammy's comment relating to the same. Sammy expressed his frustrations over the same.

The Big 3 generate revenue- yes. Mismanagement of funds within WICB means that the game is not developed at the grass roots level. However, that still does not rule out the fact there's a large number of current players who would rather become T20 peddlers than turn out for the WI- Narine, Pollard, Russell, Bravo are good examples of those havent been near WI cricket since their league cricket highs.

narine stopped playing international cricket because he is a chucker. pollard was captain up until as recently as 2022, russell was playing as recently as last year. the only one who could possibly be accused of 'turning his back' is bravo, however that is far more complex and dates back to the infamous dave cameron v the players scandal.

the idea a bunch of two time world cup winners can be boxed off as 't20 peddlers' is derisory and has no basis in reality. those guys gave a lot to the region and will rightly go down as legends.

the idea that the ICC should remove full member status from a team because they are financially inferior and don't compete with the big boys is a slippery slope towards a six month a year IPL.

tbh mate, you could have saved us all some time and simply posted this.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

The Evin Lewis story needs to be studied.

Man was a regular feature in IPL not so long ago…not even in Windies squads

and now, he’s looking to make The Red Force’s 4-day team to feature in at least 3 matches for the season!

 

[ImpatientLime]

The Evin Lewis story needs to be studied.

Man was a regular feature in IPL not so long ago…not even in Windies squads

and now, he’s looking to make The Red Force’s 4-day team to feature in at least 3 matches for the season!

he also cannot go a few T20 games without breaking down. how on earth is he going to survive four day cricket?