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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

Townes

Townes

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
wellAlbidarned said:
Good on cricinfo for adding in the necessary context to counter the "but he was found not guilty!" cries.
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If you're going to ignore a not guilty finding and simply make your judgements on what somebody has said, you may as well not have a court of law at all.

Kuggeleijn may or may not be a worthy person (I have no idea), but 10 years on this is getting ridiculous. If everybody took Hampshire's view, he'd be unemployable and the NZ taxpayer would have to support him on benefits indefinitely. Surely nobody thinks that's a good idea.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
Townes said:
If you're going to ignore a not guilty finding and simply make your judgements on what somebody has said, you may as well not have a court of law at all.

Kuggeleijn may or may not be a worthy person (I have no idea), but 10 years on this is getting ridiculous. If everybody took Hampshire's view, he'd be unemployable and the NZ taxpayer would have to support him on benefits indefinitely. Surely nobody thinks that's a good idea.
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Nah.

If you read everything associated with the case, and you have enough knowledge of the bloke, you can be comfortable with anyone choosing not to employ him.

Not everyone is taking Hampshire's view, clearly. He's played for a bunch of teams in the last decade, including NZ when people would actively protest at his selection. Human nature dictates not everyone is going to care, and they put wickets and runs before any moral code.

Let's not pretend the judicial process is one that is air tight. As RTB says, sometimes the moral code has to supersede the legal system due to its flaws. That's no bad thing.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Townes said:
If you're going to ignore a not guilty finding and simply make your judgements on what somebody has said, you may as well not have a court of law at all.

Kuggeleijn may or may not be a worthy person (I have no idea), but 10 years on this is getting ridiculous. If everybody took Hampshire's view, he'd be unemployable and the NZ taxpayer would have to support him on benefits indefinitely. Surely nobody thinks that's a good idea.
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I kinda took this view for a while but the facts of the case are pretty bad the more I look back on it.

honestbharani said:
Am I right in assuming that most of the ire is because of the lack of remorse he has shown about it all then and since then?
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His lawyer's argument at times amounted to "she was wearing short skirt...so she must have wanted it" or other nonsensical rubbish which somehow got him off
 
wellAlbidarned

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
Townes said:
If you're going to ignore a not guilty finding and simply make your judgements on what somebody has said, you may as well not have a court of law at all.

Kuggeleijn may or may not be a worthy person (I have no idea), but 10 years on this is getting ridiculous. If everybody took Hampshire's view, he'd be unemployable and the NZ taxpayer would have to support him on benefits indefinitely. Surely nobody thinks that's a good idea.
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Kuggeleijn is from a privileged middle class NZ family with connections. Just because he gets denied a couple club cricket gigs doesn't mean he's going to struggle to get some cushy corporate job when he hangs up the boots.

Additionally, in NZ sportsmen are top of the social totem pole. Kids look up to them and mirror their behaviors. This kind of spectacle is absolutely going to make guys with professional aspirations tread more carefully than has been the norm in the past and that can only be a good thing.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
honestbharani said:
Am I right in assuming that most of the ire is because of the lack of remorse he has shown about it all then and since then?
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Not for me, personally. I could care less about contrition, it was the disgusting messaging from the lawyer that tipped it for me. I realise that's not directly related to Scott but he was a part of that whole awful 'she asked for it' messaging.
 
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RMBolton

State 12th Man
Periodic **** the BBL for trying to poach Santner, & good on him for turning down the Strikers. Even if he doesn't play the Tests, he's still our white ball captain.

I'm a BBL hater forever now.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

Hall of Fame Member
The reason why both South Australia and Tasmania have been a bit useless is because their first-choice sides are currently playing a four-day game against each other. I don't even think that one is classified as FC, so that helps explain the 12-a-side nature. Hoping against hope that the game against Nepal is a proper List A game, though.

Edit: but Nepal's full-strength side are playing an associate tournament in Malaysia. So they are meant to be playing a 50-over game against Saudi Arabia in Malaysia concurrently with their second-string side playing New Zealand A. This is farcical. We've been pushed over in favour of Saudi Arabia.
 
Skyliner

Skyliner

International Regular
South Australia had players such as Spencer Johnson, Matthew Gilkes, and Wes Agar in their side. Some quality in the mix.

In the Tasmanian side, Matt Kuhnemann has played all 3 formats for Australia. Running the rule over some of the other players it looks like at least some, like Will Prestwidge, have represented their state. Others have appeared for the Hobart Hurricanes academy side.
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