*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[DougieRydal]

Came across this on my YouTube feed for those interested:

Poor bugger

 

[SteveNZ]

I can't buy into the Cairns tragedy.

He's got a laundry list of sub-par behaviour that is not at all limited to raking over Lou's vulnerabilites for his own gain

 

[straw man]

Decided to list all the NZ seamers with a pulse and over 40 FC wickets to see who should be next in line. First Class stats below, sorted in descending order by total wickets taken. Bolded are already in the squad, grey text are injured.

Name	Age	Matches	Wickets	Best Bowling	Average	Econ Rate
Matt Henry	33	113	522	7/23	22.82	3.00
Jacob Duffy	31	110	328	7/89	32.42	3.16
Blair Tickner	32	90	273	5/23	34.05	3.45
Michael Rae	30	70	208	6/31	32.90	3.62
Kyle Jamieson	30	52	186	8/74	21.97	2.87
Nathan Smith	26	62	171	6/36	26.83	2.94
Fraser Sheat	27	45	126	5/25	28.67	2.86
Ray Toole	28	43	124	7/57	28.69	2.91
Sean Solia	33	70	106	5/8	27.90	3.26
Brett Randall	30	36	101	6/45	25.33	2.87
Danru Ferns	31	41	101	6/62	34.67	3.52
Will O’Rourke	24	28	96	5/34	26.63	3.33
Brett Hampton	34	44	92	7/41	29.64	3.25
Liam Dudding	31	22	87	5/32	23.52	3.42
Ben Lister	29	36	86	5/29	25.90	2.75
Matt Bacon	32	30	80	6/73	33.47	3.69
Kristian Clarke	24	28	79	6/45	32.93	3.41
Michael Snedden	33	36	76	4/24	36.60	3.13
Zac Foulkes	23	23	73	5/37	26.08	3.15
Henry Shipley	29	25	72	5/37	29.15	3.44
Ben Sears	27	23	70	6/43	27.82	3.78
Angus McKenzie	27	30	66	4/64	32.39	2.56
Jarrod McKay	25	28	65	4/84	42.80	4.18
Sean Davey	32	19	64	7/25	22.20	2.63
Mathew Fisher	26	16	60	6/43	22.21	3.63
Josh Clarkson	28	34	55	4/33	32.65	3.44
Simon Keene	25	25	54	6/44	30.55	3.20
Luke Georgeson	26	32	52	5/60	32.15	3.30
Zac Gibson	28	21	42	4/42	40.26	3.91

Dudding does look fairly good on this list having that low average, a little ahead of Lister, though Davey actually has the lowest average listed amongst fit players.

Sheat is the highest uninjured FC wicket taker - very medium pace but more importantly his performances have tailed off the last couple of years and hasn't made the Canterbury side at times. Toole does have a reasonable case to being next in line - left arm military medium conceding a low RPO. Though I'm surprised Lister's RPO is actually lower - I see him as pretty inaccurate, but his numbers are good.

Edit: Thought I'd save time by using Copilot to do this, but it pumped out some numbers that were junk. All fixed now. Also added extra bowlers now.

 

[NZTailender]

Has Travis Muller qualified? 32 with 200 FC wickets (NZ and SA) at 29. Also distinct lack of Bacon on this plate. ChatGPT also doesn't rate Snedden, obvs.

Bet Ian McPeake is ruing his retirement. And who was the bloke who decided he'd rather ply his trade in England rather than be a domestic journeyman?

If he wasn't made of glass, Milne would probably get a gig atm.

 

[straw man]

Haha i forgot Toole too. I did give it a list of players to include. Also don't think Muller is playing this season, not sure why.

 

[_Ed_]

And who was the bloke who decided he'd rather ply his trade in England rather than be a domestic journeyman?

Will Williams?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/will-williams-590913

 

[Flem274*]

Dudding is bouncy but medium pace.

 

[ataraxia]

Also don't think Muller is playing this season, not sure why.

Averages 37.5 for Otago in FC (24 with bat, tbf).

 

[Immenso]

Has Travis Muller qualified? 32 with 200 FC wickets (NZ and SA) at 29. Also distinct lack of Bacon on this plate. ChatGPT also doesn't rate Snedden, obvs.

Bet Ian McPeake is ruing his retirement. And who was the bloke who decided he'd rather ply his trade in England rather than be a domestic journeyman?

If he wasn't made of glass, Milne would probably get a gig atm.

I saw Travis Muller on a club cricket scorecard somewhere that was not in Otago. Might have been Christchurch.

 

[anonymouskefe]

didnt realise how good fishers numbers were

 

[NZTailender]

Will Williams?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/will-williams-590913

That's the one. IIRC was fairly medium but could've been a bolter.

 

[Immenso]

It's moot (because he's injured, or rather recovering) but I would ideally be going below the 40 wicket threshold a this point and selecting Cam Paul.

 

[straw man]

Will Williams?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/will-williams-590913

Injury crisis could've been a long awaited chance to see how TRUE NZ military medium 122-125km/h wobbler bowlers would go at international level* - Williams and Matt McEwan are the two best examples.

*not well, imo

 

[straw man]

Brett Randall - there's another guy who is very unlucky to be injured right now. Added to the table in the earlier post.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

The answer is clearly Big Gus. And not for the first time I wager.

 

[Immenso]

I think I'd go Ray Toole. Assuming wouldn't make 11 behind Clarke.

But id bring in Ajaz.

 

[straw man]

The answer is clearly Big Gus. And not for the first time I wager.

Only included him on the list for your benefit tbh

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Only included him on the list for your benefit tbh

Look at his economy rate though! Plus he can run Nicholls out if he gets another recall.

 

[Neil Young]

Came across this on my YouTube feed for those interested:

Loved him as a player and, hell, he's been dealt some rough cards lately. Still a fixer, though.

 

[Immenso]

How about a fun little bet on the "just a domestic journeyman" jibe.

Who do you think will end up with the most test wickets upon retirement? Jamieson or Duffy.

Duffy currently on 12, Jamieson on 80 wickets.

Duffy about 7 months older.

Duffy age: 31y 132d
Jamieson age: 30y 347d