Top 100 Test Batsmen countdown (revised and updated)

[capt_Luffy]

It is normal when you play for almost 25 years


Lack of big scores or ATG tours.
Not really a big flaw but yeah that has to be told

He has ATG tours, albeit no Huge scoring ones

 

[DrWolverine]

He has ATG tours, albeit no Huge scoring ones

I should have been more specific.
He lacked huge scoring series like the others.

 

[Jane Austen]

TO DAYS OF GRACE
BEFORE the announcement of the big three,I want to say that even if you place Don Bradman second to Chris Martin,you have created such a brilliant post---absolutely fascinating.The conversations,the debates,the downright playground abuse which it has inspired---fabulous.
Yes,we will all have our favourite players whom we felt have been ranked too low and there are some who would like changes to the criteria and methodology used in assembling the list.I'm fairly certain DoG was aware of this but,thankfully,I think everyone on this thread truly appreciates the expertise and diligence involved.

Many,many thanks.

 

[sayon basak]

TO DAYS OF GRACE
BEFORE the announcement of the big three,I want to say that even if you place Don Bradman second to Chris Martin,you have created such a brilliant post---absolutely fascinating.The conversations,the debates,the downright playground abuse which it has inspired---fabulous.
Yes,we will all have our favourite players whom we felt have been ranked too low and there are some who would like changes to the criteria and methodology used in assembling the list.I'm fairly certain DoG was aware of this but,thankfully,I think everyone on this thread truly appreciates the expertise and diligence involved.

Many,many thanks.

What's so wrong about that?

 

[govinda indian fan]

Len hutton wow never thought he had such a flawless record. Iam thinking of moving him up in my list of atg batsmen

 

[govinda indian fan]

Anyway @Days of Grace mate you ranked lara and smith ahead of sachin saying tendulkar had better batting patners isn't it same with sir Len hutton? He had Hammond for first ten years and then compton and may till he retired. Shouldn't under same logic lara be rated ahead of hutton

 

[OverratedSanity]

Anyway @Days of Grace mate you ranked lara and smith ahead of sachin saying tendulkar had better batting patners isn't it same with sir Len hutton? He had Hammond for first ten years and then compton and may till he retired. Shouldn't under same logic lara be rated ahead of hutton

Hutton had some series post world war 2 after hammond retired where he was carrying England's batting lineup virtually single handedly.

 

[Johan]

Anyway @Days of Grace mate you ranked lara and smith ahead of sachin saying tendulkar had better batting patners isn't it same with sir Len hutton? He had Hammond for first ten years and then compton and may till he retired. Shouldn't under same logic lara be rated ahead of hutton

Wait what, when did he say that?

 

[govinda indian fan]

Wait what, when did he say that?

He said earlier that sachin had better batting support then lara

 

[govinda indian fan]

Hutton had some series post world war 2 after hammond retired where he was carrying England's batting lineup virtually single handedly.

Are you saying denis compton is not great batsmen??

 

[Johan]

He said earlier that sachin had better batting support then lara

He didn't say that, he suggested a potential reason behind Lara having a better adjusted average might be because of him being a part of a weaker team, leading to lower scoring games. I also don't understand how you bundled Smith with that, honestly.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Are you saying denis compton is not great batsmen??

....no? Why are you quoting my post and claiming I'm saying something completely different?

 

[govinda indian fan]

....no? Why are you quoting my post and claiming I'm saying something completely different?

Bro you were saying hutton single handedly carried weak england team. Denis compton and peter may played in same team post 1948 how can that be weak line up if compton is rightfully regarded as great batsmen

 

[govinda indian fan]

He didn't say that, he suggested a potential reason behind Lara having a better adjusted average might be because of him being a part of a weaker team, leading to lower scoring games. I also don't understand how you bundled Smith with that, honestly.

Smith also played in weak batting line up where esp overseas through not weak as Lara's team in 2000s

 

[OverratedSanity]

Bro you were saying hutton single handedly carried weak england team. Denis compton and peter may played in same team post 1948 how can that be weak line up if compton is rightfully regarded as great batsmen

I said

Hutton had some series post world war 2 after hammond retired where he was carrying England's batting lineup virtually single handedly.

which he did.

1950/51 Ashes: Hutton scored 533 runs @ 88.83. The 2nd best English batsman was Reg Simpson who managed 349 runs @38. There was no Peter May and Compton was struggling with his knee injury.

1953 Ashes : Hutton scored 443 runs @ 55.3. The 2nd best English batsman was Compton who managed only 234 runs @33.

1953/54 vs WI: Hutton scored 677 runs @96.7. May and Compton both did ok, but were still a long way behind (414 and 348 runs respectively).

That's 3 big series where he was more than 200 runs better than the next best batsman in his team.

 

[govinda indian fan]

I said



which he did.

1950/51 Ashes: Hutton scored 533 runs @ 88.83. The 2nd best English batsman was Reg Simpson who managed 349 runs @38. There was no Peter May and Compton was struggling with his knee injury.

1953 Ashes : Hutton scored 443 runs @ 55.3. The 2nd best English batsman was Compton who managed only 234 runs @33.

1953/54 vs WI: Hutton scored 677 runs @96.7. May and Compton both did ok, but were still a long way behind (414 and 348 runs respectively).

That's 3 big series where he was more than 200 runs better than the next best batsman in his team.

Ok got your point. Compton's lost his form during early 50s and may was new so you are indeed right hutton did carried english batting

 

[Tom Flint]

Havent had chance to follow this thread but pretty surprised not to see Kallis in the top 10. Not really sure what more he could have done given the conditions he played, amount of runs, longevity, all while playing a huge role when not batting too.

 

[howitzer]

Havent had chance to follow this thread but pretty surprised not to see Kallis in the top 10. Not really sure what more he could have done given the conditions he played, amount of runs, longevity, all while playing a huge role when not batting too.

It was still a high scoring era which was why his average was adjusted down. He also didn't have a brilliant top-opposition metric. Strike rate obviously didn't help him much either. Given that this list is based purely on batting it's obvious that the big role he played when not batting isn't going to be taken into account.

 

[AbhishekB]

Is there any plan to start such a list for ATG bowlers? I really want to see where Bumrah ranks with his present stats.

 

[Days of Grace]

It has been a pleasure, everyone. The top 100 test bowlers countdown will commence in the next few days.

No.3

Garfield Sobers (West Indies) 878



2019 edition: rank 4

Career: 1954-1974, 8032 runs (rank 18)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (160 inns): 55.28 (57.78) 48.02 (50.20) 59.03 (52.39) (rank 3)
Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1958-1963; 44 inns): 73.87 63.79 61.85 (rank 3)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (85 inns): 49.79 45.69 60.01 (rank 9)
Top Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (101 inns): 53.27 46.94 58.54 (rank 8)