The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[DrWolverine]

I thought so too but @Pap Finn Keighl was right that Virat did play slower than his teammates except 2019

2015


2011


2019


2023

 

[capt_Luffy]

I thought so too but @Pap Finn Keighl was right that Virat did play slower than his teammates except 2019

2015
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2011
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I mean, was that ever really debated? Think the argument was pretty much he didn't need to have played faster in 2023, the main one. 2015 was mid, 2011 did well as a youngster and 2019 was fine (and struck at team's pace). He never needed to bat faster in 2023, he needed to score. And he did plenty of that. 6 50s and 3 to s in 11 innings (and one fail was against NED with India already through), is as good as they come in my book.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I mean, was that ever really debated? Think the argument was pretty much he didn't need to have played faster in 2023, the main one. 2015 was mid, 2011 did well as a youngster and 2019 was fine (and struck at team's pace). He never needed to bat faster in 2023, he needed to score. And he did plenty of that. 6 50s and 3 to s in 11 innings (and one fail was against NED with India already through), is as good as they come in my book.

What kind of logic is this
Check that 50th century match, Kohli was super slow, Shami's extra ordinary performance saved him.

 

[capt_Luffy]

What kind of logic is this
Check that 50th century match, Kohli was super slow, Shami's extra ordinary performance saved him.

India scored 400 runs lol. Certainly there was nothing lacking in the batting dept

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

India scored 400 runs lol. Certainly there was nothing lacking in the batting dept

Except for Kohli.

India didn't score 450 or even 400 thanks to Kohli's ultra slow batting.

India Scored 397 and NZ scored 327 in less than 49 overs despite Shami's extra ordinary 7 wicket performance. No other team in ODI history managed to score even 227 against a 7 wicket performance let alone 327.

Statistically Kohli's 100 was slowest in the history compared to team SR. Mind you..We are not talking about Kallis or Chanders.
And this is his best WC .

 

[capt_Luffy]

Except for Kohli.

India didn't score 450 or even 400 thanks to Kohli's ultra slow batting.

India Scored 397 and NZ scored 327 in less than 49 overs despite Shami's extra ordinary 7 wicket performance. No other team in ODI history managed to score even 227 against a 7 wicket performance let alone 327.

Statistically Kohli's 100 was slowest in the history compared to team SR. Mind you..We are not talking about Kallis or Chanders.
And this is his best WC .

So your main complaint is a ton in the SF when the team score reached almost 400 and the team won by 70 runs? No wonder no one takes you seriously.

 

[h_hurricane]

Saying Kohli batted slowly in 2023 SF is like saying Sachin batted slowly in 96 WC QF. In both the cases, the team batting first put really good totals and won by a good margin.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

I thought I'd move onto most common test opponents for each team by batting position while excluding the ICC World XI as they only played 1 test and a generic all teams one as that should theoretically be the same as the teams played for

Batting Positions

vs Afghanistan

Prince Masvaure
Ben Curran
Takudzwanashe Kaitano
Sean Williams (*) (6)
Dion Myers
Sikandar Raza (5)
Ryan Burl (4)
Regis Chakabva (+)
Donald Tiripano (3)
Blessing Muzarabani (1)
Victor Nyauchi (2)

Note 1: Prince Masvaure and Joylord Gumbie tied for the most innings at 1

Note 2: Sikandar Raza tied with Craig Ervine for the most innings at 6

vs Australia

Jack Hobbs
Desmond Haynes
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar (6)
David Gower
Ben Stokes (5) (*)
Alan Knott (+)
Ravichandran Ashwin (4)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Bob Willis (2)
James Anderson (3)

Note 1: Willis tied with Stuart Broad for the most innings at 10

vs Bangladesh

Kraigg Braithwaite
Dimuth Karunaratne
Kumar Sangakkara
Mahela Jayawardene
Dinesh Chandimal
Tillakaratne Dilshan (5)
Joshua Da Silva (+)
Alzarri Joseph (2)
Kemar Roach (1)
Jomel Warrican (4)
Shannon Gabriel (3)

Note 1: Karunaratne tied for the most innings batted at 2 with Kieran Powell

Note 2: Jayawardene tied for the most innings at 4 with Ross Taylor

Note 3: Dilshan tied for the most innings at 6 with Dhananjaya de Silva

vs England

Sunil Gavaskar
Desmond Haynes
Clem Hill
Mark Waugh (6)
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Steve Waugh (*) (2)
Rodney Marsh (+)
Shane Warne (3)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Bishen Bedi (4)
Bhagwath Chandrasekhar (5)

vs. India

Gordon Greenidge
Desmond Haynes
Ricky Ponting
Joe Root (6)
Jonny Bairstow
Ben Stokes (5)
Adam Gilchrist (+)
Pat Cummins (3) (*)
Mitchell Starc (1)
Nathan Lyon (4)
James Anderson (2)

Note 1: Greenidge tied with Alistair Cook for the most innings at position 1

vs. Ireland

Mahmudul Hasan Joy
Shadman Islam
Mominul Haque
Hashmatullah Shahidi
Mushfiqur Rahim (+)
Litton Das
Mehidy Hasan Miraz (5)
Blessing Muzarabani (1)
Richard Ngarava (3)
Tanaka Chivanga (4)
Tendai Chatara (2)

Note 1: Mominul Haque tied with Rahmat Shah for the most innings at 3

Note 2: Blessing Muzarabani tied with Zia-ur-Rehman and Taijul Islam for the most innings at 8.

Note 3: Chivanga tied with Ebadot Hossain and Nijat Masood for the most innings at 10

Note 4: Chatara tied with Khaled Ahmed and Zahir Khan for the most innings at number 11

vs. New Zealand

Chris Gayle (7)
Virendar Sehwag (8)
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar (6)
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Ben Stokes (5)
Rodney Marsh (+)
Stuart Broad (3)
Zaheer Khan (4)
Bob Willis (1)
James Anderson (2)

vs. Pakistan

Sunil Gavaskar
Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
Kumar Sangakkara
Mahela Jayawardene
Andy Flower
Arjuna Ranatunga (*)
Rodney Marsh (+)
Kapil Dev (1)
Stuart Broad (2)
Rangana Herath (4)
Courtney Walsh (3)

Note 1: Broad tied with Southee for most innings at 9

Note 2: Herath tied with Shivlal Yadav for most innings at 10

vs. South Africa

Len Hutton (*)
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Michael Clarke (6)
Ben Stokes (3)
Ridley Jacobs (+)
Anil Kumble (5)
Shane Warne (4)
Brian Statham (1)
James Anderson (2)

Note 1: Statham tied with Stuart Broad and Ishant Sharma for most innings at 10

vs. Sri Lanka

Tamim Iqbal
Virendar Sehwag (6)
Azhar Ali
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Misbah-ul-Haq
Asad Shafiq
Sarfraz Ahmed (+)
Shane Warne (*) (4)
Jason Gillespie (2)
Dale Steyn (1)
Junaid Khan (3)

Note 1: Sehwag tied with Michael Vaughan for most innings at 2

Note 2: Sarfraz Ahmed tied with Mark Boucher for most innings at 7

Note 3: Warne tied with Shaun Pollock for most innings at 8

Note 4: Gillespie tied with Nicky Boje and Tim Southee for most innings at 9

vs. West Indies

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
Rahul Dravid
Mark Waugh (7)
Steve Waugh (*) (6)
Ian Botham (3)
Ian Healy (+)
Harbhajan Singh (5)
Fred Trueman (2)
Angus Fraser (4)
Glenn McGrath (1)

Note 1: Trueman tied with Paul DeFreitas for the most innings at 9

Note 1: Cook tied with Aunshuman Gaekwad for most innings batted at position 2

vs. Zimbabwe

Aamer Sohail
Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
Mominul Haque
Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Nathan Astle (6)
Mushfiqur Rahim
Rashid Latif (+)
Wasim Akram (1)
Daniel Vettori (*) (4)
Waqar Younis (2)
Muttiah Muralitharan (3)

Note 1: Rashid Latif tied with Ridley Jacobs for the most innings at 7

Note 2: Murali tied for the most innings at 11 with Manjural Islam and Robiul Islam

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

So your main complaint is a ton in the SF when the team score reached almost 400 and the team won by 70 runs? No wonder no one takes you seriously.

You need to clean fungus in your brain, its not working.

1. Batting conditions were super easy
2. NZ scored 327 in less than 49 overs
3. Kohli's scoring rate was pathetic and it was worst century in the history compared to team SR.
4. How did Kohli know Shami would be extra ordinary and going to take 7 wickets to win the match?

To make it simple and easy ( so that there is a tiny chance you will understand it properly ) we'll go with ratios.

Imagine it was in 90s.
If the Team score was 218, Kohli contribution would be 64 runs from 117 balls.
That means
Kohli SR - 56
Rest of the team SR - 82
Had Kohli scored on par with rest of the team, total would have been 246 instead of 218.. Thats a huge difference.

Javagal Srinath strikes fire and takes 6 wickets to finish opponents for 185 in 49 overs doesn't mean 117 ball 64 was good.
Its a Manoj Prabhakarish century.. Not Sachin or deSilva type.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You need to clean fungus in your brain, its not working.

1. Batting conditions were super easy
2. NZ scored 327 in less than 49 overs
3. Kohli's scoring rate was pathetic and it was worst century in the history compared to team SR.
4. How did Kohli know Shami would be extra ordinary and going to take 7 wickets to win the match?

To make it simple and easy ( so that there is a tiny chance you will understand it properly ) we'll go with ratios.

Imagine it was in 90s.
If the Team score was 218, Kohli contribution would be 64 runs from 117 balls.
That means
Kohli SR - 56
Rest of the team SR - 82
Had Kohli scored on par with rest of the team, total would have been 246 instead of 218.. Thats a huge difference.

Javagal Srinath strikes fire and takes 6 wickets to finish opponents for 185 in 49 overs doesn't mean 117 ball 64 was good.
Its a Manoj Prabhakarish century.. Not Sachin or deSilva type.

You are just pathetic smh. Kinda not interested to feed trolls today

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

You are just pathetic smh. Kinda not interested to feed trolls today

Go celebrate Slowest century in history

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[Coronis]

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McGrath had Sehwag 4 times in their 5 tests, for 0, 22, 8 and 5.

 

[TheJediBrah]

So your main complaint is a ton in the SF when the team score reached almost 400 and the team won by 70 runs? No wonder no one takes you seriously.

Fundamental misunderstanding of cricket. The anchor of the innings is what allows the rest to play with freedom without fear of collapse.

Fungus in the brain line is quality though

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Fundamental misunderstanding of cricket. The anchor of the innings is what allows the rest to play with freedom without fear of collapse.

Fungus in the brain line is quality though

When everyone else scoring at 82, anchor can score at 72 or even 65. (Even then Anchoring in ODIs is easier and less valuable and a job for less capable guys like Kallis or Dravid ) Scoring at 56 is too slow. ( ratio applied ) there is no excuse for that.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

Most common test opponents for each team by bowling position

vs. Afghanistan

Shadman Islam
Litton Das
Wessly Madhevere (7)
Ravindra Jadeja (5)
Mushfiqur Rahim (+) (*)
Sikandar Raza (6)
Mosaddek Hossain (8)
Ravichandran Ashwin (4)
Blessing Muzarabani (1)
Victor Nyauchi (2)
Newman Nyamhuri (3)

Note 1: Jadeja tied with Ryan Burl, Roston Chase, Dhananjaya de Silva and Sean Williams for most innings bowled at position 5

Note 2: Sikandar Raza had the most innings bowled at both positions 4 and 6 but Ashwin by far the best of the many players tied in 2nd at both positions

Note 3: 8 bowlers have bowled against Afghanistan once so the remaining 3 players are the players who didn't bowl in that innings

vs. Australia

Majid Khan (9)
Arthur Shrewsbury (11)
Keith Fletcher (7)
Joe Root (6)
Javed Miandad (8) (*)
Carl Hooper (5)
Ian Botham (3)
Alfred Lyttleton (10) (+)
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)
Lance Gibbs (4)

Note 1: Fletcher tied with Louis Stricker for most innings bowled at position 7

Note 2: Javed Miandad tied with Aubrey Faulkner and Billy Zulch for most innings bowled at position 8

Note 3: Alfred Lyttleton, Taslim Arif and Ajit Wadekar tied for most innings bowled at position 10

vs. Bangladesh

Dion Ebrahim
Barney Rogers (9)
Kane Williamson (6) (*)
Brendan Taylor (8)
Hamilton Masakadza (7)
Dhananjaya de Silva (5)
Tatenda Taibu (+)
Kemar Roach (1)
Dilhara Fernando (3)
Makhaya Ntini (2)
Muttiah Muralitharan (4)

Note 1: Williamson tied with Kraigg Braithwaite, Tillakaratne Dilshan and Chris Gayle for most innings bowled at position 6

Note 2: Taylor tied with Rahmat Shah for most innings bowled at position 8

Note 3: 9 bowlers bowled against Bangladesh once so the 2 players who didn't bowl in that innings are chosen

vs. England

Dilip Sardesai (9)
Mohsin Khan (10)
George Headley (8)
Sachin Tendulkar (6)
Keith Miller (2)
Warwick Armstrong (5) (*)
Ramnaresh Sarwan (7)
Wasim Bari (+)
Shane Warne (4)
Clarrie Grimmett (3)
Dennis Lillee (1)

Note 1: Tendulkar tied with Dave Nourse for most innings bowled at position 6

Note 2: Headley tied with Herbie Taylor, Tom Horan, Vijay Mehra and Desmond Haynes for most innings bowled at position 8

Note 3: Sardesai tied with Alvin Kallicharran for most innings bowled at position 9

Note 4: Mohsin Khan tied with Alvin Kallicharran, Tiger Pataudi and Zaheer Abbas for most innings bowled at position 10

Note 5: 10 bowlers bowled against England 4 times. Of the players who didn't bowl in those innings Wasim Bari has been chosen over Wasim Raja, Deryck Murray and Budhi Kunderan

vs. India

Allan Rae (11)
Justin Langer (9)
Ramnaresh Sarwan (7)
Joe Root (6)
Everton Weekes (10)
Carl Hooper (5)
Robert Christiani (8) (+)
Stuart Broad (2) (*)
Derek Underwood (3)
Nathan Lyon (4)
James Anderson (1)

Note 1: Langer in a tie with 11 others for the most innings bowled at position 9 with the most prominent others being Chanderpaul, Fredericks, Gower, Imitaz Ahmed, Jim Parks, Walcott and Weekes

Note 2: Weekes tied for the most innings bowled at position 10 with Mike Gatting, Rohan Kanhai and Colin Cowdrey

Note 3: 10 bowlers have been used against India 4 times. Of the players who didn't bowl was chosen over Mike Smith, Paul Allot and Desmond Lewis

vs. Ireland

Tamim Iqbal
Najmul Hossain Shanto
Mominul Haque (6)
Litton Das
Dhananjaya de Silva (5)
Mushfiqur Rahim (+) (*)
Johnathan Campbell (7)
Stuart Broad (1)
Taijul Islam (3)
Richard Ngarava (2)
Asitha Fernando (4)

Note 1: Fernando tied with Faheem Ashraf, Hasan Murad, Jack Leach, Mehidy Hasan Miraz, Ramesh Mendis and Ben Sears for most innings bowled at position 4

Note 2: Campbell tied with Mominul Haque for most innings bowled at position 7 but is included as Mominul also had the most innings bowled at position 6

Note 3: 7 bowlers were used against Ireland in 2 innings meaning that of the players who didn't bowl in that innings Tamim Iqbal, Litton Das, Mushfiqur Rahim and Najmul Hossain Shanto have been included in the last 4 positions over Takudzwanashe Katano, Ben Curran, Nick Welch and Nyasha Mayavo

vs. New Zealand

Len Hutton (10) (*)
Roy Fredericks (9)
Larry Gomes (6)
Joe Root (5)
Joey Carew (8)
Ian Botham (3)
Mohammad Ashraful (7)
Godfey Evans (+)
Stuart Broad (2)
Shane Warne (4)
James Anderson (1)

Note 1: Joe Root has the most innings bowled at both positions 5 and 6 but I prefer Gomes (2nd at 6) to Erapali Prasanna (2nd at 5)

Note 2: 10 bowlers have been used against New Zealand once meaning that Godfrey Evans the only player who didn't bowl in that innings is chosen for the team

vs. Pakistan

Steve Smith (8)
David Boon (9)
Graham Yallop (11)
Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Joe Root (6)
Carl Hooper (5)
Kapil Dev (1)
Rodney Marsh (10) (+)
Stuart Broad (2)
Shane Warne (4) (*)
Rangana Herath (3)

Note 1: Warne tied with Nathan Lyon for most innings bowled at position 4

Note 2: Root tied with Sachin Tendulkar for most innings bowled at position 6 but was included as Tendulkar also has the most innings bowled at position 7

Note 3: Smith tied with Arjuna Ranatunga and Vijay Manjrekar for most innings bowled at position 8

Note 4: Boon tied for the most innings bowled at position 9 with Abbas Ali Baig, Imrul Kayes, Usman Khawaja, Malinda Warnapura and Julien Wiener

Note 5: Marsh tied with Mark Taylor for most innings bowled at position 10

vs. South Africa

Morice Bird (7)
Ramnaresh Sarwan (8)
Ken Barrington (10)
Denis Compton (6)
Nasser Hussain (9)
Jim Parks (+)
Ravichandran Ashwin (5)
Stuart Broad (2)
Shane Warne (3) (*)
Nathan Lyon (4)
James Anderson (1)

Note 1: Lyon tied with Shane Warne for the most innings bowled at position 4 but is included as Warne also had the most innings bowled at position 3

Note 2: Nasser Hussain tied with Mike Smith for most innings bowled at position 9

Note 3: 10 bowlers have been used against South Africa once meaning that Jim Parks as the only player not to bowl in that innings is chosen

vs. Sri Lanka

Tamim Iqbal (9)
Zunaed Siddique
Jacques Kallis (3)
Joe Root (6)
Allan Border (7) (*)
Mushfiqur Rahim (+)
Nasir Hossain (8)
Mitchell Starc (1)
Tim Southee (2)
Saeed Ajmal (4)
Rajesh Chauhan (5)

Note 1: Starc tied with James Anderson for the most innings bowled at position 1

Note 2: Border tied with Kraigg Braithwaite, Dan Lawrence, Mahmudullah, Hamilton Masakadza, Mohammad Ashraful and Joe Root for most innings bowled at position 7

Note 3: 9 bowlers have been used against Sri Lanka once meaning that Zunaed Siddique and Mushfiqur Rahim as the 2 players who didn't bowl in that innings are chosen

vs. West Indies

Boeta Dippenaar (9)
Herschelle Gibbs (11)
Ian Chappell (7) (*)
Jacques Kallis (4)
Mark Waugh (6)
Michael Clarke (8)
Kapil Dev (1)
Mark Boucher (10) (+)
Stuart Broad (2)
Srinivas Venkataraghavan (5)
Bishen Bedi (3)

Note 1: Clarke tied with Norm O'Neill for the most innings bowled at position 8

Note 2: Dippenaar tied with Colin Cowdrey, Wasim Jaffer, Saeed Ahmed and David Steele for the most innings bowled at position 9

Note 3: Boucher tied with SS Das for the most innings bowled at position 10

Note 4: Gibbs tied with Ajay Ratra for the most innings bowled at position 11

vs. Zimbabwe

Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
SS Das (10)
Ricky Ponting (8)
Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Sourav Ganguly (9) (*)
Nathan Astle (6)
Vijay Dahiya (+)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Anil Kumble (4)
Waqar Younis (2)
Muttiah Muralitharan (3)

Note 1: Murali had the most innings bowled at both positions 3 and 4 but I preferred Kumble (2= at 4) to both Daniel Vettori (2= at 4) and Pramodya Wickramasinghe (2nd at 3)

Note 2: Jayasuriya had the most innings bowled at both positions 5 and 6 but I preferred Astle (2= at 6) to any of Aamer Sohail, Harbajan Singh (both 2= at 5) and Mahmudullah (both 2= at 6) as Tendulkar (2= at 5) had the equal most innings bowled at position 7

Note 3: Tendulkar tied for the most innings bowled at position 7 with Kraigg Braithwaite, Mahmudullah, Mominul Haque and Ramnaresh Sarwan

Note 4: Ponting tied for the most innings bowled at position 8 with Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Rahul Dravid, Mahmudullah, Kieran Powell, Raymon Reifer and Jacques Rudolph

Note 5: Ganguly tied for the most innings bowled at position 9 with Jermaine Blackwood and Darren Ganga

Note 6: 10 bowlers have been used against Zimbabwe once so Dahiya has been chosen as the only player who didn't bowl in that innings

 

[DrWolverine]

Root becomes 2nd batsman to play 300 Test innings
At end of 300 innings :
Sachin Tendulkar: 15048 runs at 56.15, 51 100s
Joe Root: 13952 runs at 50.73, 41 100s
Joe Root needs just 1978 runs to break Sachin’s record

 

[peterhrt]

Ten all-time New Zealand XIs since 1914.

1914 [Tom Reese]: William Barton, Lance Hemus, Jim Baker, Herbert de Maus, Dan Reese*, AB Williams+, Robert Neill, Arthur Fisher, Alec Downes, Ernest Upham, Charlie Frith.

1936 [Tom Reese]: Dempster, Hemus, Hiddleston, Blunt, Dacre, Reese*, AB Williams+, Fisher, Downes, Upham, Frith.

1971 [Brian Croudy]: Sutcliffe, Dempster, Hiddleston, Blunt, Donnelly, JR Reid*, Reese, James+, Brice, Downes, Cowie.

1979 [Cricket Society]: Turner, Dempster, Congdon, Sutcliffe, Donnelly, JR Reid*, Wadsworth+, Hadlee, Motz, Hedley Howarth, Cowie.

1985 [Robin Marlar]: Turner, Dempster, Congdon, Sutcliffe, Donnelly, JR Reid+*, Hadlee, Bruce Taylor, Merritt, Burtt, Cowie.

2009 [Cricinfo]: Turner, Dempster, Sutcliffe, Crowe, Donnelly, JR Reid*, Vettori, Hadlee, Ian Smith+, Bond, Cowie.

2010 [Cricinfo Readers]: Turner, Wright, Fleming*, Crowe, Sutcliffe, Chris Cairns, McCullum+, Vettori, Hadlee, Bond, Cowie.

2014 [Cricket Country]: Sutcliffe, Richardson, Fleming*, Crowe, JF Reid, JR Reid, Watling+, Vettori, Hadlee, Bruce Taylor, Bond.

2024 [The Roar]: Turner, Dempster, Williamson, Crowe, Sutcliffe, JR Reid*, McCullum+, Cairns, Vettori, Hadlee, Cowie.

2025 [Cricket Web]: Turner, Sutcliffe, Williamson*, Crowe, Ross Taylor, Watling+, Cairns, Vettori, Hadlee, Boult, Cowie.

10 teams, 44 players

8 – Sutcliffe
7 – Cowie, Hadlee
6 – Dempster, JR Reid, Turner
5 – Crowe, Vettori
4 – Donnelly
3 – Downes, Reese, Bond, Cairns
2 – Fisher, Frith, Hemus, Upham, AB Williams, Blunt, Hiddleston, Congdon, Bruce Taylor, Fleming, McCullum, Watling, Williamson
1 – Barton, Baker, de Maus, Neill, Dacre, Brice, James, Hedley Howarth, Motz, Wadsworth, Burtt, Merritt, Ian Smith, Wright, JF Reid, Richardson, Boult, Ross Taylor

 

[Coronis]

Ten all-time New Zealand XIs since 1914.

1914 [Tom Reese]: William Barton, Lance Hemus, Jim Baker, Herbert de Maus, Dan Reese*, AB Williams+, Robert Neill, Arthur Fisher, Alec Downes, Ernest Upham, Charlie Frith.

1936 [Tom Reese]: Dempster, Hemus, Hiddleston, Blunt, Dacre, Reese*, AB Williams+, Fisher, Downes, Upham, Frith.

1971 [Brian Croudy]: Sutcliffe, Dempster, Hiddleston, Blunt, Donnelly, JR Reid*, Reese, James+, Brice, Downes, Cowie.

1979 [Cricket Society]: Turner, Dempster, Congdon, Sutcliffe, Donnelly, JR Reid*, Wadsworth+, Hadlee, Motz, Hedley Howarth, Cowie.

1985 [Robin Marlar]: Turner, Dempster, Congdon, Sutcliffe, Donnelly, JR Reid+*, Hadlee, Bruce Taylor, Merritt, Burtt, Cowie.

2009 [Cricinfo]: Turner, Dempster, Sutcliffe, Crowe, Donnelly, JR Reid*, Vettori, Hadlee, Ian Smith+, Bond, Cowie.

2010 [Cricinfo Readers]: Turner, Wright, Fleming*, Crowe, Sutcliffe, Chris Cairns, McCullum+, Vettori, Hadlee, Bond, Cowie.

2014 [Cricket Country]: Sutcliffe, Richardson, Fleming*, Crowe, JF Reid, JR Reid, Watling+, Vettori, Hadlee, Bruce Taylor, Bond.

2024 [The Roar]: Turner, Dempster, Williamson, Crowe, Sutcliffe, JR Reid*, McCullum+, Cairns, Vettori, Hadlee, Cowie.

2025 [Cricket Web]: Turner, Sutcliffe, Williamson*, Crowe, Ross Taylor, Watling+, Cairns, Vettori, Hadlee, Boult, Cowie.

10 teams, 44 players

8 – Sutcliffe
7 – Cowie, Hadlee
6 – Dempster, JR Reid, Turner
5 – Crowe, Vettori
4 – Donnelly
3 – Downes, Reese, Bond, Cairns
2 – Fisher, Frith, Hemus, Upham, AB Williams, Blunt, Hiddleston, Congdon, Bruce Taylor, Fleming, McCullum, Watling, Williamson
1 – Barton, Baker, de Maus, Neill, Dacre, Brice, James, Hedley Howarth, Motz, Wadsworth, Burtt, Merritt, Ian Smith, Wright, JF Reid, Richardson, Boult, Ross Taylor

Hadlee in tests at this point

26 tests 844 @ 20.09, 107 @ 30.14

He was so glad to be selected that he upped his game after that.

 

[peterhrt]

Hadlee in tests at this point

26 tests 844 @ 20.09, 107 @ 30.14

He was so glad to be selected that he upped his game after that.

At that point, Hadlee was third in NZ's list of leading Test wicket takers, behind Collinge (116) and Bruce Taylor (111). The next three in the list, Motz, Howarth and Reid, were also included in the Cricket Society team. Jack Cowie was still regarded as NZ's best bowler to date, despite having taken only 45 Test wickets.

The year before, Hadlee had taken ten wickets at Wellington when New Zealand beat England for the first time. One or two of the English batsmen grumbled about his action, which he remodelled before touring England a few months later.

New Zealand had become more competitive in Tests. The 1979 selection includes six men from the previous ten years. Most of the all-time side picked in 1971 were from long ago.