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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
XIs based off tests played. I’ve considered openers and keepers as specialist positions (must’ve spent 50%+ of career opening or keeping to qualify). Each team will have 1 spinner and 3 pacers. If there is a tie in match numbers, most runs/wickets/dismissals will be the tiebreaker.

World

Cook (167)
Gavaskar (125)
Ponting (168)
Tendulkar (200)
Kallis (165)
Waugh* (168)
Boucher+ (146)
Warne (145)
Broad (167)
Anderson (188)
Walsh (132)

Australia

Warner (112)
Langer (105)
Ponting (168)
Waugh (128)
Border* (156)
Waugh (168)
Healy+ (119)
Starc (105)
Warne (145)
Lee (76)
McGrath (124)

England

Cook (167)
Gooch (118)
Bell (118)
Root (163)
Gower (117)
Cowdrey (114)
Stewart+ (133)
Stokes* (120)
Broad (167)
Underwood (86)
Anderson (188)

A very hard one to balance. Theoretically Cowdrey could be cut and Botham could come in? I considered Stokes as enough for the third pacer.

South Africa

Kirsten (101)
Smith* (116)
Amla (124)
Kallis (165)
Cullinan (70)
de Villiers (114)
Boucher+ (146)
Pollock (108)
Maharaj (62)
Steyn (93)
Ntini (101)

West Indies

Haynes (116)
Greenidge (108)
Richards (121)
Lara (130)
Lloyd* (110)
Chanderpaul (164)
Dujon+ (81)
Marshall (81)
Ambrose (98)
Gibbs (79)
Walsh (132)

New Zealand

Latham (91)
Wright (82)
Williamson (108)
Taylor (112)
Fleming* (111)
McCullum (101)
Vettori (112)
Parore+ (78)
Hadlee (86)
Southee (107)
Boult (78)

India

Gavaskar (125)
Sehwag (103)
Dravid (163)
Tendulkar (200)
Kohli* (123)
Laxman (134)
Dhoni+ (90)
Kapil (131)
Kumble (132)
Zaheer (92)
Ishant (105)

(12th man Ashwin)

Pakistan

Nazar (76)
Ramiz (57)
Younis (118)
Miandad (124)
Inzamam (119)
Malik (103)
Imran* (88)
Wasim (104)
Bari+ (81)
Qadir (67)
Waqar (87)

Sri Lanka

Jayasuriya (110)
Karunaratne (100)
Sangakkara (134)
Jayawardene (149)
de Silva (97)
Matthews* (119)
Jayawardene+ (58)
Vaas (111)
Lakmal (70)
Fernando (40)
Muralitharan (132)

(12th man Herath)

Feel free to sub in Herath and Ashwin for comparison. How do these teams and the order of greatness compare to the actual ATG teams for you guys?
 

Xix2565

International Vice-Captain
I'd have Ashwin in for Laxman tbh. I just think for India's ATG side you have to err more on the side of stacking the bowling given how much fewer options there are vs the batting.
 

reyrey

State Vice-Captain
England are a bowler light. Botham and Stokes both need to be in the side or Willis in for Stokes (Stokes and Botham were both top 7 bats)

Also Knott kept in more games than Stewart if that matters.
 

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'd have Ashwin in for Laxman tbh. I just think for India's ATG side you have to err more on the side of stacking the bowling given how much fewer options there are vs the batting.
I mean the whole point was selecting the most capped players, and using the 3 pacers 1 spinner formula. In reality both India and SL would pick 2 spinners, who you’d replace one of the pacers with. In any case even in your scenario it would be Kohli who’d be bumped seeing he had less matches than Laxman.



England are a bowler light. Botham and Stokes both need to be in the side or Willis in for Stokes (Stokes and Botham were both top 7 bats)

Also Knott kept in more games than Stewart if that matters.
Botham definitely had the load of a fulltime bowler which is why I proposed him as an alternative for Cowdrey if one didn’t think Stokes qualified.

Nah, Stewart played more games, and enough as keeper, which is the criteria.
 

DrWolverine

Cricketer Of The Year
ATG team with less than 50 Tests played
1. Victor Trumper
2. WG Grace
3. George Headley
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Clyde Walcott
6. Aubrey Faulkner
7. Don Tallon
8. Alan Davidson
9. Ian Bishop
10. Sydney Barnes
11. Bill O Reilly

ATG Team with 51-99 Tests played
1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Hammond
5. Barrington
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Hadlee
10. Marshall
11. Steyn

ATG team with 100+ tests played
1. Sunny
2. Boycott
3. Richards
4. Sachin
5. Lara
6. Kallis
7. Healy
8. Akram
9. Murali
10. Warne
11. McGrath
 

Michaelf7777777

International Regular
Keeping it even simpler and just turning the top 11 appearance makers into teams regardless of roles gets you the following:

Australia

David Warner
Steve Smith
Ricky Ponting
Allan Border
Steve Waugh (*) (2)
Michael Clarke (5)
Mark Waugh (6)
Ian Healy (+)
Shane Warne (3)
Nathan Lyon (4)
Glenn McGrath (1)

England

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
David Gower
Joe Root (4)
Colin Cowdrey
Ian Bell
Alec Stewart (+)
Ben Stokes (*) (3)
Michael Atherton
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)

India

Sunil Gavaskar
Rahul Dravid (+)
VVS Laxman
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Virat Kohli
Sourav Ganguly (*)
Dilip Vengsarkar
Kapil Dev (1)
Ravichandran Ashwin (3)
Anil Kumble (4)
Ishant Sharma (2)

New Zealand

Tom Latham
John Wright
Kane Williamson
Ross Taylor
Stephen Fleming (*)
Nathan Astle (5)
Brendon McCullum (+)
Daniel Vettori (4)
Richard Hadlee (1)
Tim Southee (3)
Trent Boult (2)

Note: Parore and Boult tied for the 11th most tests but I chose Boult because I think the team's better with him in it

Pakistan

Azhar Ali
Zaheer Abbas
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad (4)
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Yousef
Saleem Malik
Imran Khan (*) (1)
Wasim Akram (2)
Wasim Bari (+)
Waqar Younis (3)

South Africa

Gary Kirsten
Graeme Smith (*) (6)
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis (5)
AB de Villiers
Herschelle Gibbs
Shaun Pollock (2)
Mark Boucher (+)
Dale Steyn (1)
Morne Morkel (4)
Makhaya Ntini (3)

Sri Lanka

Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
Dimuth Karunaratne
Kumar Sangakkara
Aravinda de Silva (6)
Mahela Jayawardene
Angelo Mathews (2)
Arjuna Ranatunga (*) (7)
Dinesh Chandimal (+)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Rangana Herath (4)
Muttiah Muralitharan (3)

Note: Marvin Atapattu tied with Chandimal for the 11th most tests played

West Indies

Gordon Greenidge
Desmond Haynes
Brian Lara
Viv Richards (5)
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Clive Lloyd (6)
Carl Hooper (3)
Chris Gayle (4)
Kraigg Braithwaite
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Courtney Walsh (2)

Note: No wicketkeeper in the top 11 so the batters will have to see who the best wicketkeeper in training is

World

Alistair Cook
Rahul Dravid (+)
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Jacques Kallis (3)
Joe Root (4)
Allan Border
Steve Waugh (6) (*)
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)

1 Person per Country (Most Caps for Country)

Grant Flower (6)
Rahmat Shah (4)
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Jacques Kallis (2)
Javed Miandad (*)
Mahela Jayawardene
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Mushfiqur Rahim (+)
Daniel Vettori (3)
James Anderson (1)

12th: Andrew Balbirnie

Note 1: Ponting and Steve Waugh tie with the most tests for Australia

Note 2: If I was feeling cheeky, I could include Flintoff or Murali as tied with the most number of tests for the World XI
 

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Keeping it even simpler and just turning the top 11 appearance makers into teams regardless of roles gets you the following:

Australia

David Warner
Steve Smith
Ricky Ponting
Allan Border
Steve Waugh (*) (2)
Michael Clarke (5)
Mark Waugh (6)
Ian Healy (+)
Shane Warne (3)
Nathan Lyon (4)
Glenn McGrath (1)

England

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
David Gower
Joe Root (4)
Colin Cowdrey
Ian Bell
Alec Stewart (+)
Ben Stokes (*) (3)
Michael Atherton
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)

India

Sunil Gavaskar
Rahul Dravid (+)
VVS Laxman
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Virat Kohli
Sourav Ganguly (*)
Dilip Vengsarkar
Kapil Dev (1)
Ravichandran Ashwin (3)
Anil Kumble (4)
Ishant Sharma (2)

New Zealand

Tom Latham
John Wright
Kane Williamson
Ross Taylor
Stephen Fleming (*)
Nathan Astle (5)
Brendon McCullum (+)
Daniel Vettori (4)
Richard Hadlee (1)
Tim Southee (3)
Trent Boult (2)

Note: Parore and Boult tied for the 11th most tests but I chose Boult because I think the team's better with him in it

Pakistan

Azhar Ali
Zaheer Abbas
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad (4)
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Yousef
Saleem Malik
Imran Khan (*) (1)
Wasim Akram (2)
Wasim Bari (+)
Waqar Younis (3)

South Africa

Gary Kirsten
Graeme Smith (*) (6)
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis (5)
AB de Villiers
Herschelle Gibbs
Shaun Pollock (2)
Mark Boucher (+)
Dale Steyn (1)
Morne Morkel (4)
Makhaya Ntini (3)

Sri Lanka

Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
Dimuth Karunaratne
Kumar Sangakkara
Aravinda de Silva (6)
Mahela Jayawardene
Angelo Mathews (2)
Arjuna Ranatunga (*) (7)
Dinesh Chandimal (+)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Rangana Herath (4)
Muttiah Muralitharan (3)

Note: Marvin Atapattu tied with Chandimal for the 11th most tests played

West Indies

Gordon Greenidge
Desmond Haynes
Brian Lara
Viv Richards (5)
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Clive Lloyd (6)
Carl Hooper (3)
Chris Gayle (4)
Kraigg Braithwaite
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Courtney Walsh (2)

Note: No wicketkeeper in the top 11 so the batters will have to see who the best wicketkeeper in training is

World

Alistair Cook
Rahul Dravid (+)
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Jacques Kallis (3)
Joe Root (4)
Allan Border
Steve Waugh (6) (*)
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)

1 Person per Country (Most Caps for Country)

Grant Flower (6)
Rahmat Shah (4)
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Jacques Kallis (2)
Javed Miandad (*)
Mahela Jayawardene
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Mushfiqur Rahim (+)
Daniel Vettori (3)
James Anderson (1)

12th: Andrew Balbirnie

Note 1: Ponting and Steve Waugh tie with the most tests for Australia

Note 2: If I was feeling cheeky, I could include Flintoff or Murali as tied with the most number of tests for the World XI
You’d expect Hooper, but they need him at first change.
 

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
I tried picking an England XI with the player with the most innings batting at each position from 1 to 11... but you get a team with 3 Stuart Broads (8, 9 and 10).

More successful is a team with "most innings batting at each position from 1 to 7" and "most innings bowling at each position from 1 to 4":
Gooch, Cook, Butcher, Root, Thorpe, Stokes, Prior+, Botham (3), Broad (2), Underwood* (4), Anderson (1)
*excluding Stokes as he's already in the XI.

World XI purely by batting position is:
Gavaskar, Haynes, Dravid, Tendulkar, Chanderpaul, Stokes, Boucher+, Warne, Ambrose, Lyon, Anderson
By bowling position for the last 4 would replace Ambrose and Lyon with Kumble and Broad.
 

Johan

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
ATG team with less than 50 Tests played
1. Victor Trumper
2. WG Grace
3. George Headley
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Clyde Walcott
6. Aubrey Faulkner
7. Don Tallon
8. Alan Davidson
9. Ian Bishop
10. Sydney Barnes
11. Bill O Reilly

ATG Team with 51-99 Tests played
1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Hammond
5. Barrington
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Hadlee
10. Marshall
11. Steyn

ATG team with 100+ tests played
1. Sunny
2. Boycott
3. Richards
4. Sachin
5. Lara
6. Kallis
7. Healy
8. Akram
9. Murali
10. Warne
11. McGrath
51-99 would win.
 

Michaelf7777777

International Regular
Country Teams by Batting Positions

Note: In cases of ties I choose and in the case of the same person winning multiple positions I choose which position they get and which other/s get the 2nd place promoted

Australia

Justin Langer
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Mark Waugh (6)
Steve Waugh (5)
Allan Border (*) (7)
Rodney Marsh (+)
Shane Warne (3)
Mitchell Starc (2)
Nathan Lyon (4)
Glenn McGrath (1)

Note: Steve Waugh had the most at both 5 and 6 but I decided the team was better with Border than with Michael Clarke

England

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
Mark Butcher
Joe Root (6)
Graham Thorpe
Ben Stokes (*) (5)
Matt Prior (+)
Chris Woakes (3)
Graeme Swann (4)
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)

Note: Stuart Broad was 1st in the number 8, 9 and 10 positions but I chose him at number 10 because the runner up there was James Anderson who was also 1st at number 11 with Bob Willis finishing 3rd at number 10 and 2nd at number 11

India

Sunil Gavaskar
Virendar Sehwag (6)
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar (5)
Ajinkya Rahane
VVS Laxman
MS Dhoni (*) (+)
Ravichandran Ashwin (2)
Zaheer Khan (1)
Bishen Bedi (4)
Bhagwath Chandrasekhar (3)

New Zealand

Tom Latham
John Wright
Kane Williamson (*) (7)
Ross Taylor
Nathan Astle (5)
Craig McMillan (6)
BJ Watling (+)
Daniel Vettori (4)
Tim Southee (1)
Neil Wagner (3)
Chris Martin (2)

Pakistan

Mohammad Hafeez (5)
Taufeeq Umar
Azhar Ali
Javed Miandad
Misbah-ul-Haq (*)
Asad Shafiq
Sarfraz Ahmed (+)
Wasim Akram (1)
Waqar Younis (2)
Iqbal Qasim (3)
Danish Kaneria (4)

Note: Waqar Younis had the most at both 9 and 10 but I preferred Iqbal Qasim to Umar Gul

South Africa

Graeme Smith (*)
Herschelle Gibbs
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis (5)
AB de Villiers
Jonty Rhodes
Mark Boucher (+)
Shaun Pollock (2)
Kagiso Rabada (3)
Dale Steyn (1)
Makhaya Ntini (4)

Note: AB de Villiers had the most innings at 5 and 6 but I preferred Jonty Rhodes to Ashwell Prince

Sri Lanka

Dimuth Karunaratne
Sanath Jayasuriya
Kumar Sangakkara
Mahela Jayawardene (*)
Thilan Samaraweera
Hashan Tillakaratne
Prasanna Jayawardene (+)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Rangana Herath (4)
Suranga Lakmal (2)
Muttiah Muralitharan (3)

Note: Murali was 1st at both 10 and 11 but I chose Lakmal over Pradeep

West Indies

Kraigg Brathwaite
Desmond Haynes
Richie Richardson
Brian Lara
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Garfield Sobers (*) (5)
Ridley Jacobs (+)
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Curtly Ambrose (2)
Kemar Roach (4)
Courtney Walsh (3)

Note: Courtney Walsh had the most innings at both 10 and 11 but I preferred Kemar Roach to Shannon Gabriel

World

Sunil Gavaskar
Desmond Haynes
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Ben Stokes (3)
Mark Boucher (+)
Shane Warne (*) (4)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Nathan Lyon (5)
James Anderson (2)

Country Teams by Bowling Positions

Note: For countries that have never had an 11th bowler, I choose based off who didn't bowl in innings where they had the most bowlers bowl. In cases of ties or the same person having the most in 2 positions, I choose.

Note: Bowling positions are the position they bowled the most in

Australia

Justin Langer (9)
Steve Smith (8)
Ian Chappell (*) (7)
Mark Waugh (5)
Steve Waugh (6)
Graham Yallop (11)
Rodney Marsh (+) (10)
Shane Warne (3)
Nathan Lyon (4)
Josh Hazlewood (2)
Glenn McGrath (1)

Note 1: Shane Warne and Nathan Lyon had the most and 2nd most innings bowled respectively in both positions 3 and 4 so I chose Warne for position 3 because in an actual team he'd probably bowl before Lyon

Note 2: David Boon, Justin Langer, Usman Khawaja and Julien Wiener all tied for the most innings bowled in position 9 so I chose Langer as the best opening option

Note 3: Rodney Marsh and Mark Taylor tied for 10th but I chose Marsh because a wicketkeeper is needed

England

Len Hutton (*) (10)
Arthur Shrewsbury (11)
David Gower (9)
Joe Root (6)
Denis Compton (7)
Ben Stokes (5)
Ian Botham (3)
Graeme Fowler (+) (8)
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)
Derek Underwood (4)

Note 1: Stokes had the most innings bowled in both positions 4 and 5 but I chose him at position 5 as I prefer Derek Underwood to Moeen Ali

Note 2: Root had the most innings bowled in both positions 6 and 7 but I chose Compton because he was 2nd in position 7 and tied for 2nd in position 6 with Kevin Pietersen

Note 3: Graeme Fowler tied for the most innings bowled in position 8 with Mike Smith

Note 4: David Gower tied with Colin Cowdrey, Lord Harris, Nasser Hussain, Jim Parks, Peter Richardson, Mike Smith, David Steele and Cyril Washbrook for the most innings bowled in position 9

Note 5: Len Hutton tied with Ken Barrington, Colin Cowdrey, Mike Gatting and Alfred Lyttelton for the most innings bowled in position 10

India

Virendar Sehwag (6)
SS Das (10)
Rahul Dravid (*) (8)
Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Dilip Sardesai (9)
Ravindra Jadeja (5)
Kapil Dev (1)
Ajay Ratra (+) (11)
Ravichandran Ashwin (3)
Anil Kumble (4)
Ishant Sharma (2)

Note 1: Kumble had the most innings bowled in both positions 3 and 4 but I preferred Ashwin to Harbhajan Singh

Note 2: Tendulkar had the most innings bowled in positions 5, 6 and 7 but I preferred Sehwag and Ravindra Jadeja to Polly Umrigar

New Zealand


Bert Sutcliffe (8)
Ken Wadsworth
Kane Williamson (6)
Nathan Astle (7)
John Beck
Daniel Vettori (5)
Richard Hadlee (1)
Frank Mooney (+)
Lance Cairns (3)
Tim Southee (2)
Neil Wagner (4)

Note 1: Daniel Vettori has the most innings bowled in positions 5 and 4 but as Nathan Astle is already in the team Neil Wagner is chosen. Vettori is also tied for the most innings bowled at position 3 with Lance Cairns.

Note 2: The most bowlers ever to bowl in an innings for New Zealand is 8 which has happened in 11 innings. The non-bowlers in more than 1 of those innings were Frank Mooney with 3 meaning he's selected and then Ken Wadsworth, Ian Smith and John Beck with 2 and I choe Ian Smith as the one to miss out from those 3

Pakistan

Majid Khan (9)
Hanif Mohammad(8)
Zaheer Abbas (10)
Javed Miandad (*) (7)
Wasim Raja (5)
Mushtaq Mohammad (6)
Wasim Akram (1)
Wasim Bari (+)
Abdul Qadir (3)
Waqar Younis (2)
Danish Kaneria (4)

Note 1: Wasim Raja was tied with Aamer Sohail for the most innings bowled at position 5

Note 2: Majid Khan had the most innings bowled in both positions 8 and 9 but Hanif Mohammad (who was picked as Miandad had the most innings bowled at position 7) and Javed Miandad who were tied in 2nd for position 8 were both better than the 7 players tied in 2nd for position 9 (Haroon Rasheed, Imitaz Ahmed, Javed Burki, Saeed Ahmed, Shafqat Rana, Talat Ali and Zaheer Abbas

Note 3: Zaheer Abbas tied with Mohsin Khan and Taslim Arif for the most innings bowled at position 10

Note 4: Pakistan used 10 bowlers in tests 3 times. The players who didn't bowl in those innings were Wasim Raja, Azmat Rana and Wasim Bari

South Africa

Boeta Dippenaar (9)
Herschelle Gibbs (11)
Herbie Taylor (8)
Jacques Kallis (5)
Hansie Cronje (6)
Dave Nourse (7)
Mark Boucher (+) (10)
Keshav Maharaj (4)
Dale Steyn (1)
Morne Morkel (3)
Makhaya Ntini (2)

Note 1: Kallis has the most innings bowled in both positions 4 and 5 but I preferred Maharaj to Paul Adams

Note 2: Cronje had the most innings in both position v6 and 7 but I preferred Dave Nourse to both JP Duminy (2nd in position 6) and Louis Stricker (tied with Dave Nourse in 2nd at position 7)

Note 3: Herbie Taylor tied with Aubrey Faulkner, Ashwell Prince and Billy Zulch for the most innings bowled at position 8 but I thought with the 8th bowling position restriction that Taylor fit the team slightly better than Faulkner

Note 4: Boeta Dippenaar tied with Tip Snooke for the most innings bowled in position 9

Sri Lanka

Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
Tillakaratne Dilshan (6)
Roshan Mahanama (9)
Aravinda de Silva (7)
Thilan Samaraweera
Arjuna Ranatunga (*) (8)
Prasanna Jayawardene (+)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Rangana Haerath (4)
Nuwan Zoysa (2)
Muttiah Muralitharan (3)

Note 1: Murali and Herath are in 1st and 2nd at both positions 3 and 4. Murali has position 3 as in a real team he'd probably bowl before Herath

Note 2: Sanath Jayasuriya has the most innings bowled in both positions 5 and 6 but Dilshan was chosen as a better fit than Dhananjaya de Silva

Note 3: Roshan Mahanama tied with Malinda Waranapura for the most innings bowled at position 9

Note 4: The most bowlers used in a test innings by Sri Lanka is 9. Thilan Samaraweera and Prasanna Jayawardene were chosen as a better fit for the team than Hashan Tillakaratne as Aravinda de Silva has the most innings bowled at Position 7

West Indies

Rory Fredericks (9)
Kraigg Braithwaite (6)
Joey Carew (8)
Everton Weekes (10)
Ramnaresh Sarwan (7)
Carl Hooper (5)
Deryck Murray (+)
Michael Holding (*) (2)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Lance Gibbs (4)
Courtney Walsh (3)

Note 1: Walsh had the most innings at both positions 2 and 3 but I preferred Holding to Jason Holder

Note 2: Sarwan had the most innings bowled at both positions 7 and 8 but Kraigg Braithwaite (2nd in position 7) had the most at position 6

Note 3: Everton Weekes tied with Rohan Kanhai and Alvin Kallicharran for the most innings bowled at position 10

Note 4: The West Indies have used at most 10 bowlers in a test innings which happened 3 times. Deryck Murray has been chosen as the best fit for team from the non-bowlers in those innings with the others being Allan Rae and Desmond Lewis

World

Roy Fredericks (9)
SS Das (10)
Ramnaresh Sarwan (7)
Joe Root (6)
Arjuna Ranatunga (*) (8)
Carl Hooper (5)
Ajay Ratra (+) (11)
Stuart Broad (2)
Anil Kumble (3)
Shane Warne (4)
James Anderson (1)

Note 1: Sarwan had the most innings bowled in both positions 7 and 8 and as Root (2nd in position 7) was already in the team, Ranatunga was chosen as tied for 2nd in position 8 over Joey Carew due to his captaincy skills
 

capt_Luffy

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
XIs based off tests played. I’ve considered openers and keepers as specialist positions (must’ve spent 50%+ of career opening or keeping to qualify). Each team will have 1 spinner and 3 pacers. If there is a tie in match numbers, most runs/wickets/dismissals will be the tiebreaker.

World

Cook (167)
Gavaskar (125)
Ponting (168)
Tendulkar (200)
Kallis (165)
Waugh* (168)
Boucher+ (146)
Warne (145)
Broad (167)
Anderson (188)
Walsh (132)

Australia

Warner (112)
Langer (105)
Ponting (168)
Waugh (128)
Border* (156)
Waugh (168)
Healy+ (119)
Starc (105)
Warne (145)
Lee (76)
McGrath (124)

England

Cook (167)
Gooch (118)
Bell (118)
Root (163)
Gower (117)
Cowdrey (114)
Stewart+ (133)
Stokes* (120)
Broad (167)
Underwood (86)
Anderson (188)

A very hard one to balance. Theoretically Cowdrey could be cut and Botham could come in? I considered Stokes as enough for the third pacer.

South Africa

Kirsten (101)
Smith* (116)
Amla (124)
Kallis (165)
Cullinan (70)
de Villiers (114)
Boucher+ (146)
Pollock (108)
Maharaj (62)
Steyn (93)
Ntini (101)

West Indies

Haynes (116)
Greenidge (108)
Richards (121)
Lara (130)
Lloyd* (110)
Chanderpaul (164)
Dujon+ (81)
Marshall (81)
Ambrose (98)
Gibbs (79)
Walsh (132)

New Zealand

Latham (91)
Wright (82)
Williamson (108)
Taylor (112)
Fleming* (111)
McCullum (101)
Vettori (112)
Parore+ (78)
Hadlee (86)
Southee (107)
Boult (78)

India

Gavaskar (125)
Sehwag (103)
Dravid (163)
Tendulkar (200)
Kohli* (123)
Laxman (134)
Dhoni+ (90)
Kapil (131)
Kumble (132)
Zaheer (92)
Ishant (105)

(12th man Ashwin)

Pakistan

Nazar (76)
Ramiz (57)
Younis (118)
Miandad (124)
Inzamam (119)
Malik (103)
Imran* (88)
Wasim (104)
Bari+ (81)
Qadir (67)
Waqar (87)

Sri Lanka

Jayasuriya (110)
Karunaratne (100)
Sangakkara (134)
Jayawardene (149)
de Silva (97)
Matthews* (119)
Jayawardene+ (58)
Vaas (111)
Lakmal (70)
Fernando (40)
Muralitharan (132)

(12th man Herath)

Feel free to sub in Herath and Ashwin for comparison. How do these teams and the order of greatness compare to the actual ATG teams for you guys?
Stokes as a frontline 3rd pacer with no 5th bowler is funny
 

DrWolverine

Cricketer Of The Year
ATG ODI 11

Less than 200 ODIs
1. Amla
2. Greenidge
3. Jones
4. Viv
5. Abbas
6. Buttler
7. Klusener
8. Hadlee
9. Saqlain
10. Starc
11. Garner

More than 200 ODIs
1. Sachin
2. Rohit
3. Virat
4. Ponting
5. ABD
6. Kapil
7. Dhoni
8. Pollock
9. Akram
10. McGrath
11. Murali
 

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
ATG team with less than 50 Tests played
1. Victor Trumper
2. WG Grace
3. George Headley
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Clyde Walcott
6. Aubrey Faulkner
7. Don Tallon
8. Alan Davidson
9. Ian Bishop
10. Sydney Barnes
11. Bill O Reilly

ATG Team with 51-99 Tests played
1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Hammond
5. Barrington
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Hadlee
10. Marshall
11. Steyn

ATG team with 100+ tests played
1. Sunny
2. Boycott
3. Richards
4. Sachin
5. Lara
6. Kallis
7. Healy
8. Akram
9. Murali
10. Warne
11. McGrath
I’d probably spread it even more to try to make more even teams

1-25

Richards
Barnes
Headley
Pollock
Grace*
Duleep
Lindsay+
Procter
Rashid
Lohmann
Spofforth

26-50

Mitchell
Ponsford
Weekes
McCabe
Nourse
Walcott
Pant+
Davidson
Roberts
O’Reilly
Barnes

51-75

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
May
Worrell
Flower
Watling+
Benaud
Lindwall
Garner
Donald

76-100

Hutton
Khawaja
Hammond
Chappell
Barrington
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Marshall
Steyn
Gibbs

101-125

Gavaskar
Boycott
Williamson
Smith
Richards*
de Villiers
Healy+
Pollock
Ashwin
Wasim
McGrath

126-

Cook*
Dravid
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Kallis
Lara
Boucher+
Warne
Broad
Anderson
Walsh

All the teams have their own faults and definitely room for alternative selections.
 

Michaelf7777777

International Regular
I thought I'd do the Batting and Bowling Positions XI's again but using the twist of considering all international formats (Tests, ODI's, T20I's)

Batting Positions

Australia


David Warner
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Allan Border (*)
Michael Clarke
Steve Waugh
Ian Healy (+)
Shane Warne
Mitchell Starc
Nathan Lyon
Glenn McGrath

Note 1: Steve Waugh had the most innings at both 5 and 6 but Allan Border (2nd at 6) already had the most innings at 4 meaning Clarke gets in

England

Graham Gooch
Alec Stewart (+)
Joe Root
Kevin Pietersen
Paul Collingwood
Ben Stokes (*)
Moeen Ali
Chris Woakes
Graeme Swann
Stuart Broad
James Anderson

Note 1: Root had the most innings at both 3 and 4 but I preferred Pietersen over Jonathan Trott

Note 2: Broad had the most innings at both 9 and 10 but I preferred having Swann over Darren Gough

India

Rohit Sharma
Virendar Sehwag
Virat Kohli
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohammad Azharuddin
MS Dhoni (*) (+)
Kapil Dev
Ravichandran Ashwin
Zaheer Khan
Bishen Bedi
Bhagwath Chandrasekhar

Note 1: Tendulkar had the most innings at both 2 and 4 but Kohli (2nd at 4) had the most innings at 3 so Sehwag is included

Note 2: Zaheer Khan had the most innings batted at both 9 and 10 but I rank Bedi higher than Harbhajan Singh

New Zealand

Martin Guptill
Nathan Astle
Kane Williamson (*)
Ross Taylor
Craig McMillan
Jimmy Neesham
Chris Harris
Daniel Vettori
Tim Southee
Kyle Mills
Trent Boult

Note 1: McMillan had the most innings at both 5 and 6 but Astle (2nd at 5) had the most innings at 2 so Neesham is included

Note 2: Southee has the most innings at both 9 and 10 but Vettori (2nd at 9) also has the most at 8 so Mills is included

Note 3: No wicketkeeper so they'll have to see who does the best in training

Pakistan

Saeed Anwar
Shahid Afridi
Younis Khan (*)
Javed Miandad (+)
Misbah-ul-Haq
Shoaib Malik
Abdul Razzaq
Wasim Akram
Umar Gul
Waqar Younis
Danish Kaneria

Note 1: Waqar Younis had the most innings at both 9 and 10 but I considered Umar Gul (2nd at 9) a better fit for bowling attack variety than Mushtaq Ahmed and Saeed Ajmal who were tied for 2nd for most innings batting at 10

South Africa

Graeme Smith (*)
Herschelle Gibbs
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis
AB de Villiers
David Miller
Mark Boucher (+)
Shaun Pollock
Kagiso Rabada
Dale Steyn
Makhaya Ntini

Note 1: Kallis has the most innings at both 3 and 4 but de Villiers (2nd at 4) has the most at 5 so Amla is included

Sri Lanka

Upul Tharanga
Sanath Jayasuriya
Kumar Sangakkara
Mahela Jayawardene
Arjuna Ranatunga (*)
Tillakaratne Dilshan
Romesh Kaluwitharana (+)
Chaminda Vaas
Rangana Herath
Lasith Malinga
Muttiah Muralitharan

Note 1: Jayasuriya had the most innings at both 1 and 2 but Dilshan (2nd at 2) has the most at 6 so Tharanga is included

Note 2: Kaluwitharana tied with Thisara Perera for the most innings at 7 but was chosen so Sangakkara wouldn't have to bat 3 and keep in tests

Note 3: Vaas had the most innings at both 8 and 9 but I preferred Herath to Nuwan Kulasekara

Note 4: Murali had the most innings at both 10 and 11 but I preferred Malinga to Pradeep

West Indies

Chris Gayle
Desmond Haynes
Richie Richardson (*)
Brian Lara
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Dwayne Bravo
Ridley Jacobs (+)
Darren Sammy
Kemar Roach
Curtly Ambrose
Courtney Walsh

Note 1: Ambrose has the most innings at both 9 and 10 but Walsh (2nd at 10) has the most at 11 so Roach is chosen

World

Tamim Iqbal
Sanath Jayasuriya
Ricky Ponting
Mahela Jayawardene
Steve Waugh
MS Dhoni (*)
Ian Healy (+)
Chaminda Vaas
Tim Southee
Muttiah Muralitharan
James Anderson

Bowling Positions XI

Australia


David Boon (9)
Travis Head (8)
Graham Yallop (11)
Allan Border (6)
Michael Clarke (7) (*)
Rodney Marsh (10) (+)
Mitchell Johnson (3)
Shane Warne (4)
Adam Zampa (5)
Josh Hazlewood (2)
Glenn McGrath (1)

Note 1: Warne had the most innings bowled at both positions 3 and 4 but I think Johnson both provides better batting and better balance to the bowling attack (including across formats) than Nathan Lyon

Note 2: Border tied with Mark Waugh for most innings bowled at position 6

Note 3: Head and Darren Lehmann tied for the most innings bowled at position 8

Note 4: Boon tied with Langer, Khawaja and Julien Wiener for most innings bowled at position 9

Note 5: Rodney Marsh tied with Mark Taylor for most innings bowled at position 10 but was chosen due to needing a wicketkeeper although am wondering whether Mark Taylor's extra batting particularly with the long tail is a better fit even though it means Boon is the part time wicketkeeper

England

Len Hutton (10) (*)
Arthur Shrewsbury (11)
Joe Root (8)
Kevin Pietersen (7)
Paul Collingwood (6)
Ben Stokes (4)
Andrew Flintoff (3)
Jim Parks (9) (+)
Adil Rashid (5)
Stuart Broad (2)
James Anderson (1)

Note 1: Root has the most innings bowled in positions 6, 7 and 8 but Collingwood is both 2nd at 6 and tied for 2nd at 8 and I prefer Pietersen (2nd at 7) over the other 2 players tied for 2nd in position 8 (Graeme Fowler and Mike Smith) and I prefer Collingwood as the 6th bowler and Root as the 8th tan the other war around

Note 2: Parks chosen over 10 other players tied for 1st in position 9 (with the most prominent being Cowdrey, Gower and Lamb) due to needing a wicketkeeper

Note 3: Hutton tied for the most innings bowled at position 10 with Barrington, Cowdrey, Gatting and Alfred Lyttleton

Note 4: Stokes might take the captaincy from Hutton in limited overs and in T20's Collingwood would probably open instead of Shrewsbury

India

Virendar Sehwag (8)
Rohit Sharma (*) (9)
SS Das (10)
Sachin Tendulkar (6)
Yuvraj Singh (7)
Ravindra Jadeja (5)
Manoj Prabhakar (2)
Kapil Dev (1)
Ajay Ratra (11) (+)
Harbhajan Singh (4)
Anil Kumble (3)

Note 1: Tendulkar has the most innings bowled at positions 6, 7 and 8 with Yuvraj 2nd in all those positions (tied with Sehwag for position 8)

Note 2: Rohit Sharma is tied with Ganguly and Dilip Sardesai for most innings bowled at position 9

Note 3: In limited overs Das drops down the order to probably 8 below Kapil and I'm not sure which one of Sehwag, Rohit Sharma and Tendulkar bat 3 while the other 2 open. In tests in England, New Zealand and South Africa Das opens, Prabhakar bats 3 and Sehwag moves down to 5

New Zealand

Glenn Turner (9)
Nathan Astle (6)
Kane Williamson (8) (*)
Martin Crowe
Craig McMillan (7)
Jacob Oram (3)
Mitchell Santner (4)
Richard Hadlee (1)
Daniel Vettori (5)
Ian Smith (+)
Tim Southee (2)

Note 1: Southee has the most innings bowled in both positions 1 and 2 but I prefer Hadlee to Boult

Note 2: Vettori has the most innings bowled in positions 4 and 5 but I prefer Santner to Sodhi

Note 3: Williamson tied with Astle for the most innings bowled at position 8 but Astle is already in the team for position 6

Note 4: Turner tied with Greatbatch for most innings bowled at position 9

Note 5: In the 2 matches where New Zealand used 9 bowlers the non-bowlers were Martin Crowe, Ian Smith, Warren Lees and Geoff Howarth so I chose Crowe and Smith as the 2 best players from those 4

Note 6: In tests I'm not sure who opens with Turner although Vettori might be the best option

Pakistan

Majid Khan (9)
Shahid Afridi (4)
Zaheer Abbas (10)
Javed Miandad (8) (*)
Saleem Malik (7)
Shoaib Malik (6)
Shadab Khan (5)
Abdul Razzaq (3)
Wasim Akram (1)
Wasim Bari (+)
Waqar Younis (2)

Note 1: Afridi has the most innings bowled at both positions 4 and 5 but Razzaq (2nd at 4) also has the most at position 3 so Shadab is included

Note 2: Shoaib Malik has the most innings bowled at both positions 6 and 7 but Afridi (2nd at 6) has the most at 4 and 5 so Saleem Malik is included

Note 3: Majid Khan had the most innings bowled at both positions 8 and 9 but I preferred Miandad (tied 2nd at 8th with Hanif Mohammad) to any of the 8 players tied for 2nd in position 9 with the most prominent being Ijaz Ahmed, Imitaz Ahmed and Zaheer Abbas

Note 4: Zaheer Abbas tied with Mohsin Khan and Taslim Arif for the most innings bowled in position 10

Note 5: Pakistan used 10 bowlers 3 times. The players not bowled in those innings were Wasim Bari, Wasim Raja and Azmat Rana but I chose Bari due to needing a wicketkeeper

South Africa

Graeme Smith (7)
Herschelle Gibbs (11)
Boeta Dippenaar (9)
Jacques Kallis (5)
AB de Villiers (8)
JP Duminy (6)
Mark Boucher (10) (+)
Shaun Pollock (1)
Keshav Maharaj (4)
Morne Morkel (3)
Makhaya Ntini (2)

Note 1: Kallis has the most innings bowled at both positions 4 and 5 but I prefer Maharaj to Boje

Note 2: Duminy has the most innings bowled at both positions 6 and 7 but I prefer Graeme Smith to Hansie Cronje

Note 3: AB de Villiers is tied with Graeme Smith for the most innings bowled in position 8

Note 4: Boeta Dippenaar is tied with Tip Snooke for the most innings bowled at position 9

Note 5: Not sure which one of Gibbs and Dippenaar opens with Smith with the other batting 3

Sri Lanka

Sanath Jayasuriya (5)
Tillakaratne Dilshan (7)
Hashan Tillakaratne (9)
Aravinda de Silva (6)
Thilan Samaraweera
Arjuna Ranatunga (8) (*)
Prasanna Jayawardene (+)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Nuwan Zoysa (2)
Dilhara Fernando (3)
Muttiah Muralitharan (4)

Note 1: Jayasuriya has the most innings bowled at both positions 5 and 6 with Murali and Dilshan in 2nd respectively and Dilshan has the most innings at 7 with Dilshan in 2nd so to keep both Jayasuriya and Dilshan in a spot where they're 1st I preferred Aravinda (3rd at position 6) to Chandana (3rd at position 5)

Note 2: Ranatunga tied with Hashan Tillakaratne for most innings bowled at position 8 but his captaincy skills got Ranatunga chosen

Note 3: Tillakaratne tied with Mahanama and Warnapura for most innings bowled at position 9

Note 4: In teh 3 matches where Sri Lanka used 9 bowlers, 6 bowlers all weren't used 1 time each with Thilan Samaraweera and Prasanna Jayawardene being picked as a better players than Mahanama and Gamini Wickremasinghe with Hashan Tillakaratne and Aravinda already in the team

West Indies

Chris Gayle (6)
Roy Fredericks (9)
Ramnaresh Sarwan (8)
Everton Weekes (10)
Carl Hooper (5)
Kieron Pollard (7)
Dwayne Bravo (4)
Jason Holder (3) (*)
Deryck Murray (+)
Curtly Ambrose (1)
Courtney Walsh (2)

Note 1: Courtney Walsh has the most innings bowled and Jason Holder the 2nd most innings bowled at both positions 2 and 3

Note 2: Everton Weekes tied with Rohan Kanhai and Alvin Kallicharran for the most innings bowled at position 10

Note 3: The West Indies have used 10 bowlers in an innings which happened 3 times. Deryck Murray has been chosen as the best fit for team from the non-bowlers in those innings with the others being Allan Rae and Desmond Lewis

World

Sanath Jayasuriya (6)
Roy Fredericks (9)
SS Das (10)
Sachin Tendulkar (7)
Herschelle Gibbs (11)
Alistair Campbell (8) (+)
Shahid Afridi (5)
Chaminda Vaas (1)
Stuart Broad (2)
Anil Kumble (3) (*)
Muttiah Muralitharan (4)

Note 1: Alistair Campbell tied with Mahmudullah for the most innings bowled at position 8 but was chosen as his part time wicketkeeping meant that I could choose Herschelle Gibbs (for his better limited overs batting) in the 4 way tie at number 11 instead of needing Ajay Ratra as a wicketkeeper (with Arthur Shrewsbury and Graham Yallop being the other players tied)

Note 2: In limited overs matches Tendulkar would open with Jayasuriya with Fredericks batting 3 and Das probably dropping to 7 unless quick wickets were lost early
 
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