Stamina Battles

[subshakerz]

Which bowlers can last the longest in unending spells before physically collapsing?

Kapil vs Walsh vs McGrath?

Shoaib vs Bond vs Bumrah?

 

[Agonizingly Awkward]

First one is Kapil easily

Second one is Bumrah maybe

 

[DrWolverine]

Kapil Dev

Played with groin injury and took 5-28 in Melbourne
Once bowled 30 overs from one end to take 9 wickets
Never missed a single test and odi due to injury
At retirement, most balls bowled in test and odi

 

[subshakerz]

Kapil Dev

Played with groin injury and took 5-28 in Melbourne
Once bowled 30 overs from one end to take 9 wickets
Never missed a single test and odi due to injury
At retirement, most balls bowled in test and odi

Walsh would be close. I wonder what their longest spells are. Fazal Mahmoud once bowled 85 overs.

 

[DrWolverine]

Fazal Mahmoud once bowled 85 overs.

Sobers 365?

 

[DrWolverine]

I wonder what their longest spells are.

In 1991-92 series in Australia, Kapil bowed 282 overs in a 5 Test series including 51 overs in just one innings.

Overs bowled : 34, 9, 35, 12, 33, 19, 23, 51, 40 & 28

Bowling 852 deliveries over 12 days reflects great durability, sustained stamina and endurance.

 

[subshakerz]

In 1991-92 series in Australia, Kapil bowed 282 overs in a 5 Test series including 51 overs in just one innings.

Overs bowled : 34, 9, 35, 12, 33, 19, 23, 51, 40 & 28

Bowling 852 deliveries over 12 days reflects great durability, sustained stamina and endurance.

Walsh came close in his last series, 263 overs. McGrath had 249 overs in the 1997 Ashes

 

[subshakerz]

Sobers 365?

yes. Mahmoud bowled 320 overs that series.

 

[Randomfan]

Edited later: Using cric info listing top 5 heaviest work load overs for Kapil, Walsh and McGrath in single test series.

Walsh: 290, 263, 261, 227, 220
Kapil: 284, 243, 223, 211, 205
Mcgrath: 249, 209, 200, 199, 196


Walsh takes this one. Kapil played entire career with mandatory rest day as well.


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Bumrah: 187, 157, 151, 133,119
Akhtar: 118, 97, 93, 86,78
Bond: 67, 67, 64, 63, 59


Bumrah takes it by a landslide. No competition from Akhtar and Bond has bowled very little.

 

[Randomfan]

I was interested in seeing the similar data for Bumrah, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Steyn.

Edited later: Using cric info listing top 5 heaviest work load overs for Bumrah, Steyn, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Ambrose in single test series.


Ambrose: 260, 249, 224, 205, 205
Donald: 243, 175,173,147,145
Wasim : 204, 180, 168, 159, 159
Bumrah: 187, 157, 151, 133,119
Waqar Y: 166, 144, 130, 125,118
D Steyn: 131, 131, 131, 124,118

Surprised to see Donald so high given he debuted in 1992 and madatory rest day was stopped in test cricket in mid 90s. I went back and checked, he has just one test with mandatory rest days out of 5 here. Given that and him being one of the faster bowlers in this group, it's impressive.

This is a bit higher but expected result for Bumrah. More work load than the likes of Steyn, Waqar but less work load than the likes of Wasim and Ambrose. Given his action and speed, I would have expected him to fare worse.

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I am going to check manually the data for Kapil, Walsh, Mcgrath, Akhtar, Bond. Likely to be error in that as well. I will post the top 5 for them as well after checking manually.

 

[Thala_0710]

Kapil and Bumrah easy

 

[Johan]

I was interested in seeing the same data for Bumrah, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Steyn.

Bumrah has taken one of the heaviest work load in single series. Some of it has to do with being a lone wolf for his team and some has to do with India playing longer test series. But when all said and done, demonstrated record of heavy work load in single series should put all discussion about fitness to rest. As many have pointed out it's over played.

Surprisingly, Bumrah has taken way more workload than all of them in test serieses. I did not expect to see it given his action.

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What tool are you using?

Donald alone bowled over 700 balls in...

1. Bowling 1050 balls in seven innings in 1992-93 Indian tour of South Africa.
2. Bowling 762 balls in five innings in 1993/94 South Africa tour of Australia.
3. Bowling 768 balls in six innings in 1994 Australia tour of South Africa.
4. Bowling 1043 balls in eight innings in 1995/96 English tour of South Africa
5. Bowling 1460 balls in ten innings in 1998 South African tour of England.
6. Bowling 872 balls in eight innings in 1999/00 English tour of South Africa
7. Bowling 882 balls in seven innings in 2001 South African tour of West Indies.

So how is it claiming Donald only had a single 700+ balls series.

 

[Victor Ian]

Is this how low we are scrapping the barrel now. Kapil bowled long because he had a **** attack who couldnt break thrpugh so quick. Mcgrath and walsh could easily bowl longer, but didnt have to.
Next thread....who could take a **** the quickest to minimise time off the field?

 

[subshakerz]

I was interested in seeing the same data for Bumrah, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Steyn.

Bumrah has taken one of the heaviest work load in single series. Some of it has to do with being a lone wolf for his team and some has to do with India playing longer test series. But when all said and done, demonstrated record of heavy work load in single series should put all discussion about fitness to rest. As many have pointed out it's over played.

Surprisingly, Bumrah has taken way more workload than all of them in test series I did not expect to see it given his action.

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Your stats are totally wrong.

Please double check before you draw conclusions.

 

[subshakerz]

Is this how low we are scrapping the barrel now. Kapil bowled long because he had a **** attack who couldnt break thrpugh so quick. Mcgrath and walsh could easily bowl longer, but didnt have to.
Next thread....who could take a **** the quickest to minimise time off the field?

Bro it’s not that bad. I am trying some variation on the usual topics.

 

[Randomfan]

What tool are you using?

Donald alone bowled over 700 balls in...

1. Bowling 1050 balls in seven innings in 1992-93 Indian tour of South Africa.
2. Bowling 762 balls in five innings in 1993/94 South Africa tour of Australia.
3. Bowling 768 balls in six innings in 1994 Australia tour of South Africa.
4. Bowling 1043 balls in eight innings in 1995/96 English tour of South Africa
5. Bowling 1460 balls in ten innings in 1998 South African tour of England.
6. Bowling 872 balls in eight innings in 1999/00 English tour of South Africa
7. Bowling 882 balls in seven innings in 2001 South African tour of West Indies.

So how is it claiming Donald only had a single 700+ balls series.

Thre could be error in responce then, because if you have 7 for Donald then that itself makes the table wrong. Let me run in cric info and correct it.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Mindgames being used to trick people into believing that Bumrah hardly carries any load and is as injury prone as the other two.

Better topic would be, what will Bumrah average if he bowled with a tampered ball like some bowlers from the 80s.

 

[subshakerz]

I was interested in seeing the same data for Bumrah, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Donald and Steyn.

Bumrah has taken one of the heaviest work load in single series. Some of it has to do with being a lone wolf for his team and some has to do with India playing longer test series. But when all said and done, demonstrated record of heavy work load in single series should put all discussion about fitness to rest. As many have pointed out it's over played.

Surprisingly, Bumrah has taken way more workload than all of them in test series I did not expect to see it given his action.

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Contrary to what Randomfan say, Bumrah crossed 700 balls in a series six times, and one of those somewhat dubious in England lately where he had rest tests in between.

Donald has done it 7 times, Wasim did it 11 times, Ambrose 15 times.

Waqar and Steyn did it 5 times, but this is easily explained by the fact that they hardly played longer series compared to Bumrah. Waqar played one complete five test series in his career, whereas Steyn never played a full four or five test series, whereas Bumrah played in two four test series and two five test series.

 

[subshakerz]

Mindgames being used to trick people into believing that Bumrah hardly carries any load and is as injury prone as the other two.

Better topic would be, what will Bumrah average if he bowled with a tampered ball like some bowlers from the 80s.

It’s desperate from Randomfan that he has to give fake stats to make his case, assuming it’s not an error.

 

[Johan]

Better topic would be, what will Bumrah average if he bowled with a tampered ball like some bowlers from the 80s.

Considering the larger and reinforced seam of the modern ball, It's hard to imagine what someone like Imran and Ambrose would average today with a ball that takes twice as long to age and seams more. Probably 18.