Rank the ATG team in away conditions:

[Slifer]

Overall, most of us would concede Australia to best overall atg team. They are followed by Eng/WI/RSA then probably Pakistan, India, NZ and SL and Ban. But how would we rank the atgs in away conditions to other atg teams. For example Aus atg vs Ind atg in India. In my scenario, you can only pick one atg for each. You can't change out players to suit conditions. For example, WI can't sub in Walsh for Ambrose in Asia etc.


I'll start:

WI:

Win/compete well in: Eng, Pak, RSA, SL, NZ, Ban
Lose/compete well in: India, Australia

Aust:

Win in: NZ, SL, RSA, Pak, Ban
Win/compete well: Eng
Lose/compete well: India, WI

*What's the difference between Win in vs win compete well. The former means that team surely wins no questions asked, the latter win but not by much. Same principle applies with losing.

Eng:

Win in: NZ, Ban
Win/compete well: SL
Lose in: Aus, Ind, WI
Lose compete well in: Pak, RSA,

RSA

Win in: NZ, Ban
Win/compete well: SL
Lose in: Australia, India
Lose/compete well: WI, Pak, Eng,

Pak:

Win: Ban
Win/compete well: SL
Lose: Ind, Aus, RSA,
Lose/compete well: Eng, WI, NZ

Ind

Win: Ban,
Win/compete well: SL
Lose: WI, Aus, RSA, NZ
Lose/compete well: Pak, Eng,

Etc. Thoughts/comments??

 

[govinda indian fan]

I would back atg wi to win everywhere expect Australia. Ind and pak atg xi cancel each other at each's home. I expect eng atg xi to win everywhere expect aus&wi

 

[govinda indian fan]

Imo atg xi in order
1.Australia
2.england /wi
3.wi/england
4.South Africa
5.Pakistan
6.india
7.sri lanka
8.new Zealand

 

[Slifer]

Imo atg xi in order
1.Australia
2.england /wi
3.wi/england
4.South Africa
5.Pakistan
6.india
7.sri lanka
8.new Zealand

Rankings above are overall or away ??

 

[Coronis]

Aust:

Win in: NZ, SL, RSA, Pak, Ban
Win/compete well: Eng
Lose/compete well: India, WI

*What's the difference between Win in vs win compete well. The former means that team surely wins no questions asked, the latter win but not by much. Same principle applies with losing.

I’m not sure how England is not just win. We have Bradman, Smith and Border/Waugh in England, combined with McWarne in England?

 

[Johan]

Australia
West Indies
England/South Africa
England/South Africa
Pakistan
India
New Zealand
Sri Lanka

 

[Slifer]

I’m not sure how England is not just win. We have Bradman, Smith and Border/Waugh in England, combined with McWarne in England?

For sure Australia wins in England but it won't be a dominant result like 4-1 or 3-0. I'd gander 2-1 or all games with a result: 3-2 for Australia. England's batting is just immense:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Barrington
Root
Knott+
Laker
Trueman
Anderson
Barnes

Win for me equal dominant or at least winning a 5 match series by 2 clear tests. Win/compete means win by a test. Yes the wording is convoluted I know.. Maybe you're right maybe Australia does dominate

 

[Red]

For sure Australia wins in England but it won't be a dominant result like 4-1 or 3-0. I'd gander 2-1 or all games with a result: 3-2 for Australia. England's batting is just immense:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Barrington
Root
Knott+
Laker
Trueman
Anderson
Barnes

Win for me equal dominant or at least winning a 5 match series by 2 clear tests. Win/compete means win by a test. Yes the wording is convoluted I know.. Maybe you're right maybe Australia does dominate

Facing McGrath, Lillee, Lindwall, Warne and Miller

 

[Coronis]

Facing McGrath, Lillee, Lindwall, Warne and Miller

Could pop in Alderman for ***** and giggles.

 

[Coronis]

Could pop in Alderman for ***** and giggles.

Actually that leads me to an interesting/boring question… what would some ATG squads look like if you could have a normal 12th man, but then a few players designated to play in like 3 specific countries. e.g Australia could have Alderman for England and O’Reilly for India.

 

[Red]

Could pop in Alderman for ***** and giggles.

Yeh, if it’s Aus in England I think you go with Lillee, McGrath and Alderman

 

[subshakerz]

I would back atg wi to win everywhere expect Australia. Ind and pak atg xi cancel each other at each's home. I expect eng atg xi to win everywhere expect aus&wi

Eng and WI aren’t winning in India if it’s spinning.

 

[subshakerz]

For sure Australia wins in England but it won't be a dominant result like 4-1 or 3-0. I'd gander 2-1 or all games with a result: 3-2 for Australia. England's batting is just immense:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Barrington
Root
Knott+
Laker
Trueman
Anderson
Barnes

Win for me equal dominant or at least winning a 5 match series by 2 clear tests. Win/compete means win by a test. Yes the wording is convoluted I know.. Maybe you're right maybe Australia does dominate

Remove Anderson for Botham, have Botham bat at 7.

 

[DrWolverine]

Eng and WI aren’t winning in India if it’s spinning.

English greats like WG Grace, Jack Hobbs, Herbert Sutcliffe, Wally Hammond, Len Hutton and Fred Trueman never played a single Test in Asia. A great cricketer in one era would likely succeed in any other but in this case it is largely conjecture by a wide margin.

 

[kyear2]

Imo atg xi in order
1.Australia
2.england /wi
3.wi/england
4.South Africa
5.Pakistan
6.india
7.sri lanka
8.new Zealand

Australia
West Indies
England/South Africa
England/South Africa
Pakistan
India
New Zealand
Sri Lanka

Think SA clears England, which settles into a clear 4th for me.

 

[kyear2]

For sure Australia wins in England but it won't be a dominant result like 4-1 or 3-0. I'd gander 2-1 or all games with a result: 3-2 for Australia. England's batting is just immense:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Barrington
Root
Knott+
Laker
Trueman
Anderson
Barnes

Win for me equal dominant or at least winning a 5 match series by 2 clear tests. Win/compete means win by a test. Yes the wording is convoluted I know.. Maybe you're right maybe Australia does dominate

That line up with that captain, especially agaist a great attack can easily get bogged down with only Hobbs in the top 5 even capable of breaking the shackles.

When i heard Boycott of all people talking about when creating a team, you need balance and a mixture of attacking and defensive players, as a teams need players capable of providing impetus to a line up, don't think there's much of an argument for that top 5.

 

[kyear2]

All Time Australia XI

Robert Simpson^
Matthew Hayden
Sir Donald Bradman
Steven Smith^
Greg Chappell^
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Keith Miller ³
Shane Warne ⁴
Dennis Lillee ¹
William O'Reilly ⁵
Glenn McGrath ²

All Time West Windies XI

Sir Frank Worrell ©
Sir Gordon Greenidge
Sir George Headley
Sir I. V.A. Richards^
Brian Lara^
Sir Garfield Sobers^⁴
Sir Clyde Walcott (wk)
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Michael Holding ³
Sir Curtly Ambrose ²
Lancelot Gibbs ⁵

South Africa All Time XI

Barry Richards^
Graeme Smith ©
Jacques Kallis^⁵
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
A.B. de Villiers^
Jock Cameron (wk)
Mike Procter ³
Dale Steyn ¹
Hugh Tayfield ⁴
Allan Donald ²

England All Time XI

Sir John Hobbs
Sir Leonard Hutton ©
Walter Hammond^
Joseph Root
Kenneth Barrington^
Ian Botham^ ⁴
Allan Knott (wk)
Hedley Verity ⁵
Frederick Trueman ¹
Frank Tyson ³
Sydney Barnes ²

Pakistan All Time XI

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan^
Javed Miandad ^
Inzamam Up Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Imran Khan ©¹
Wasim Akram ²
Saqlain Mushtaq ⁴
Waqar Younis ³

India All Time XI

Sunil Gavaskar^
Virender Sehwag^
Rahul Dravid^
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli ©
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Ravindra Jadeja ⁵
Kapil Dev ³
Ravichandran Ashwin ⁴
Mohammad Shami ²
Jasprit Bumrah ¹

Even with home and away, still give the WI and Australia the edge to meet in the finals. SA and to a lesser extent England can upset either.

Not my personal Autralia nor India teams, but those their compatriots would pick. For Australia I would definitely go Border at 6 and 3 pacers.

 

[Prince EWS]

All Time Australia XI

Robert Simpson^
Matthew Hayden
Sir Donald Bradman
Steven Smith^
Greg Chappell^
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Keith Miller ³
Shane Warne ⁴
Dennis Lillee ¹
William O'Reilly ⁵
Glenn McGrath ²

All Time West Windies XI

Sir Frank Worrell ©
Sir Gordon Greenidge
Sir George Headley
Sir I. V.A. Richards^
Brian Lara^
Sir Garfield Sobers^⁴
Sir Clyde Walcott (wk)
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Michael Holding ³
Sir Curtly Ambrose ²
Lancelot Gibbs ⁵

South Africa All Time XI

Barry Richards^
Graeme Smith ©
Jacques Kallis^⁵
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
A.B. de Villiers^
Jock Cameron (wk)
Mike Procter ³
Dale Steyn ¹
Hugh Tayfield ⁴
Allan Donald ²

England All Time XI

Sir John Hobbs
Sir Leonard Hutton ©
Walter Hammond^
Joseph Root
Kenneth Barrington^
Ian Botham^ ⁴
Allan Knott (wk)
Hedley Verity ⁵
Frederick Trueman ¹
Frank Tyson ³
Sydney Barnes ²

Pakistan All Time XI

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan^
Javed Miandad ^
Inzamam Up Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Imran Khan ©¹
Wasim Akram ²
Saqlain Mushtaq ⁴
Waqar Younis ³

India All Time XI

Sunil Gavaskar^
Virender Sehwag^
Rahul Dravid^
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli ©
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Ravindra Jadeja ⁵
Kapil Dev ³
Ravichandran Ashwin ⁴
Mohammad Shami ²
Jasprit Bumrah ¹

Even with home and away, still give the WI and Australia the edge to meet in the finals. SA and to a lesser extent England can upset either.

Not my personal Autralia nor India teams, but those their compatriots would pick. For Australia I would definitely go Border at 6 and 3 pacers.

I think Miller should probably bat ahead of Gilchrist even if he was a slightly lesser batsman.

 

[govinda indian fan]

That line up with that captain, especially agaist a great attack can easily get bogged down with only Hobbs in the top 5 even capable of breaking the shackles.

When i heard Boycott of all people talking about when creating a team, you need balance and a mixture of attacking and defensive players, as a teams need players capable of providing impetus to a line up, don't think there's much of an argument for that top 5.

My uncle who is 73 and somebody who followed cricket in 60s would say boycott was most selfish batsmen he would just switch off radio moment boycott came to bat. Also said sobers was unanimously seen as world best batsmen somebody who played for team and to entertain crowds rather then for selfish milestones

 

[Coronis]

All Time Australia XI

Robert Simpson^
Matthew Hayden
Sir Donald Bradman
Steven Smith^
Greg Chappell^
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Keith Miller ³
Shane Warne ⁴
Dennis Lillee ¹
William O'Reilly ⁵
Glenn McGrath ²

All Time West Windies XI

Sir Frank Worrell ©
Sir Gordon Greenidge
Sir George Headley
Sir I. V.A. Richards^
Brian Lara^
Sir Garfield Sobers^⁴
Sir Clyde Walcott (wk)
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Michael Holding ³
Sir Curtly Ambrose ²
Lancelot Gibbs ⁵

South Africa All Time XI

Barry Richards^
Graeme Smith ©
Jacques Kallis^⁵
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
A.B. de Villiers^
Jock Cameron (wk)
Mike Procter ³
Dale Steyn ¹
Hugh Tayfield ⁴
Allan Donald ²

England All Time XI

Sir John Hobbs
Sir Leonard Hutton ©
Walter Hammond^
Joseph Root
Kenneth Barrington^
Ian Botham^ ⁴
Allan Knott (wk)
Hedley Verity ⁵
Frederick Trueman ¹
Frank Tyson ³
Sydney Barnes ²

Pakistan All Time XI

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan^
Javed Miandad ^
Inzamam Up Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Imran Khan ©¹
Wasim Akram ²
Saqlain Mushtaq ⁴
Waqar Younis ³

India All Time XI

Sunil Gavaskar^
Virender Sehwag^
Rahul Dravid^
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli ©
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Ravindra Jadeja ⁵
Kapil Dev ³
Ravichandran Ashwin ⁴
Mohammad Shami ²
Jasprit Bumrah ¹

Even with home and away, still give the WI and Australia the edge to meet in the finals. SA and to a lesser extent England can upset either.

Not my personal Autralia nor India teams, but those their compatriots would pick. For Australia I would definitely go Border at 6 and 3 pacers.

Why are some players bolded?

That line up with that captain, especially agaist a great attack can easily get bogged down with only Hobbs in the top 5 even capable of breaking the shackles.

lol. Someone needs to be educated on Hammond I see