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*Official* 1st Test (Perth) 21-22 November

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Incidentally now that we have these metrics and technology it really should become the actual basis for official "pitch ratings" so we can actually get some objectivity here. It's far from perfect but it's surely better than what we're doing now.
Yeah especially since we can now apparently measure consistency. High bounce or sharp turn doesn't make a pitch bad, it's inconsistency that does that as it turns it into a lottery.

Need to find a way to measure a pitch being bad for the reason of "turgid road" too though.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Yeah especially since we can now apparently measure consistency. High bounce or sharp turn doesn't make a pitch bad, it's inconsistency that does that as it turns it into a lottery.

Need to find a way to measure a pitch being bad for the reason of "turgid road" too though.
Lack of pace (not sure if this is measured but in principle it should be straightforward enough), lack of bounce, and very low lateral movement would do I think?

It's not like these have to be hard thresholds anyway. There'll be a place for human judgement but it'd be good if we can start from a more objective - or at least statistically consistent - basis.
 

cascade

U19 Vice-Captain
Lack of pace (not sure if this is measured but in principle it should be straightforward enough), lack of bounce, and very low lateral movement would do I think?

This simple analysis Cricviz put out for the 2022 T20 World Cup pitches indicates they measure pace, bounce, movement & spin.
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Usman did mention sideways but in a way that wasn't clear he was referring to the pitch. He offered as an example of the difficulties faced when batting. He said lateral movement is easier to deal with than variation, especially when adjusting upwards. I think that was the essence of his criticism of the pitch.
The thing is though. balls are entitled to bounce more with a new ball. It hits the strings, it bounces more. You put your back into it more, it bounces more. That's especially going to be true on one with some grass cover and hard underneath.

Good thing Uzzie wasn't around the day Curtly took 7-1, that was in Perth was it not?
 

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
The thing is though. balls are entitled to bounce more with a new ball. It hits the strings, it bounces more. You put your back into it more, it bounces more. That's especially going to be true on one with some grass cover and hard underneath.

Good thing Uzzie wasn't around the day Curtly took 7-1, that was in Perth was it not?
It was in Perth and I think that pitch was variable. Usman's comments described variability in the bounce rather than excessive bounce, irrespective of the subsequent news today. As mentioned earlier, there must've been some comment in the dressing room about the state of the pitch which Usman kind of insinuated into his criticism.
 

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
Pretty sure he means taking Usman’s words for granted considering his limited time at the crease (amongst other things) is where the credibility is lost.
Well that’s more time in the middle than you, me and brah put together. Plus he was in the dressing rooms too.

Nonetheless I’m pretty sure I was just quoting Usman in that post without making a wider point.
 

Starfighter

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Incidentally now that we have these metrics and technology it really should become the actual basis for official "pitch ratings" so we can actually get some objectivity here. It's far from perfect but it's surely better than what we're doing now.
This is a sensible idea, but I think they'd need to be a lot more transparent about how they're measuring it.

And there'd still be a lot of subjectivity - can a pitch be too consistent? (IMO yes).
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Agree with Starfighter. Really need to get under the hood and understand what is being used to indicate such a term as "consistency" of a pitch, before handing this responsibility over to the bots.

Certainly think it has potential as a tool though.
 

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