Current greats and all time greats

[Line and Length]

No it doesn't , he's only really failed with the ball in two places , New Zealand and England and he has done well there with the bat. He's probably the greatest fielder of the 2010's to boot. He's an ATG for me.

Great fieldsman indeed and a great bowler at home. His batting averages against Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are barely a pass and his bowling away from home is mediocre. Too many question marks for mine.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If his keeping is that bad surely just play him as a bat because as far as I'm aware India seem to have a few very good keeper batsmen. Island Kishan, the guy who was here in Australia last year whose name I can't remember. Probably a few others too

Edit: Dhruv Jurel. Saw him live at the MCG against Aus A he looked very good

For some reason, when Pant and Jurel both plays, Pant keeps and Jurel plays as a specialist bat. Have no Idea why really. Same with Kishan, has been from their U-19 days.

 

[TheJediBrah]

For some reason, when Pant and Jurel both plays, Pant keeps and Jurel plays as a specialist bat. Have no Idea why really. Same with Kishan, has been from their U-19 days.

Maybe Pant would be even worse in the field. Probably can't move, so keeps as the lesser of 2 evils. Either that or he demands to keep as the bigger name

 

[capt_Luffy]

He's an all time great bowler because of his career average (21.58). Away from home he still averages 26.08. He would have had more away wickets if the England selectors thought he should tour more. Unfortunately he was regarded as a discipline problem.

Jadeja only has a bad bowling record in England. His bowling record in Australia and SA even is quite Good. To boot, he averages 35+ with the bat everywhere he plays. All the while, his career average is 37 with bat and 24 with ball. Definitely an ATG in my book. Trueman also averages 30 away without minnow NZ

 

[Johan]

Trueman also averages 30 away without minnow NZ

 

[capt_Luffy]

Freddie is atleast half a tier ahead Jadeja, but Jadeja is a sure shot ATG to me. He is behind Botham in both bowling and batting, but it's close enough.

 

[Johan]

Freddie is atleast half a tier ahead Jadeja, but Jadeja is a sure shot ATG to me. He is behind Botham in both bowling and batting, but it's close enough.

fair enough

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Woakes?!!

Nice to meet you Ju7, I'm RIS.

 

[Coronis]

Tbf to Govinda, Pant has seriously declined since his return, but as a keeper that is, not batsman.

Yeah but Smith is a **** keeper too.

 

[Coronis]

Unlike Trueman, whose record isn't dependent on home wickets, Jadeja's bowling away from home precludes him being rated an ATG all rounder.

Next you’ll be trying to tell us Anderson’s record isn’t dependant on home wickets.

 

[Burgey]

Jamie doesn't slash hard after balls outside off stump thrice in an over like jaiswal. Imo smith has better temperment then yashsavi

not sure if srs

 

[Burgey]

Patience,temperament,technique can be learnt but sheer talent,nay genius...no!

This is a very common but a fundamentally flawed perception wrt batting.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Jamie doesn't slash hard after balls outside off stump thrice in an over like jaiswal. Imo smith has better temperment then yashsavi

Fmd

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

govinda with negative ball knowledge

 

[Ju7]

Nice to meet you Ju7, I'm RIS.

Hi RIS - Ju.

 

[Ju7]

I see Jadeja as a very good test all rounder but not an ATG.
ATG's should be a select band (and limited) and he doesn't quite get in.
Excellent fielder too.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Jaiswal must crub his instinct to cut balls outside off. I was really disappointed by him in sa series where he became Jansen's bunny

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I see Jadeja as a very good test all rounder but not an ATG.
ATG's should be a select band (and limited) and he doesn't quite get in.
Excellent fielder too.

Who are your ATGs? Share with us when you can.

 

[manoftommorow]

I see Jadeja as a very good test all rounder but not an ATG.
ATG's should be a select band (and limited) and he doesn't quite get in.
Excellent fielder too.

Jadeja is probably the batsman I trust the most in the Indian team right now. He’s very calm at the crease and never looks in a hurry to play shots. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends his career with a batting average above 40 and a bowling average under 25. For me, he’s already an ATG.

 

[Johan]

Jaiswal must crub his instinct to cut balls outside off. I was really disappointed by him in sa series where he became Jansen's bunny

Jaiswal has to do one thing, Jamie has to

1. reduce the bat-pad gap
2. figure out how to grow a brain