Current greats and all time greats

[Adders]

Woakes?!!

Careful mate.......that sort of talk is a banable offence here.

 

[Ju7]

Careful mate.......that sort of talk is a banable offence here.

I know he's meant to be the nicest man in cricket but still.

 

[Adders]

I know he's meant to be the nicest man in cricket but still.

Haha, there is certain moderator whose love for Chris Woakes knows no bounds.......its like Romeo and Juliet only far more intense.

You don't knock Woakes around here.......not if you know what's good for you you don't.

 

[ashley bach]

Possible up and coming ATG's

Jaiswal
Bethell
Rachin
Jansen
Sundar

Longshots yet to play:

Oliver Peake
Vaibhav Suryavanshi

 

[TheJediBrah]

Of those not really getting mentioned, the stand out for me is Hazlewood. Every bit as good as Starc and Cummins and his stats on the Aussie roads from 2015-2020 are remarkable. His fragility and longevity holds him back from ATG territory. Just hasn't played enough cricket though nearly 300 wickets might be enough

 

[Coronis]

Jamie smith
Not sure about jaiswal as these days he is throwing his wicket trying to hit every ball for boundary

Special mention= if not for accident rishabh pant would have been sure shot atg but he has declined since then

Pant before the accident: 2271 @ 43.67 5 tons 11 fifties
Pant after the accident: 1205 @ 41.55 3 tons 7 fifties
Smith since Pant returned: 799 @ 38.04 1 ton 4 fifties

 

[capt_Luffy]

Pant before the accident: 2271 @ 43.67 5 tons 11 fifties
Pant after the accident: 1205 @ 41.55 3 tons 7 fifties
Smith since Pant returned: 799 @ 38.04 1 ton 4 fifties

Tbf to Govinda, Pant has seriously declined since his return, but as a keeper that is, not batsman.

 

[ankitj]

I still think my metric of the definition of an ATG works pretty well. Would they make a NZ all time XI whether NZer or not.

I like it but it's probably too lenient for spinners.

 

[Line and Length]

I can't consider Jadeja an ATG all rounder. His bowling record is only worthy because over 70% of his wickets have been taken in India. Away from home he has just 92 wickets @ 36.69 .... not good enough.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I can't consider Jadeja an ATG all rounder. His bowling record is only worthy because over 70% of his wickets have been taken in India. Away from home he has just 92 wickets @ 36.69 .... not good enough.

Freddie Trueman took 74.5% of his wickets at Home. Is he not an ATG bowler?

 

[Line and Length]

Freddie Trueman took 74.5% of his wickets at Home. Is he not an ATG bowler?

He's an all time great bowler because of his career average (21.58). Away from home he still averages 26.08. He would have had more away wickets if the England selectors thought he should tour more. Unfortunately he was regarded as a discipline problem.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

He's an all time great bowler because of his career average (21.58). Away from home he still averages 26.08. He would have had more away wickets if the England selectors thought he should tour more. Unfortunately he was regarded as a discipline problem.

And Jadeja is an ATG because of his career averages , 38 with the bat and 25 with the ball. There is only a handful of players with similar records.

 

[Johan]

Patience,temperament,technique can be learnt but sheer talent,nay genius...no!

Smith has regressed in regards to patience and technique weirdly from when he came around

 

[Line and Length]

And Jadeja is an ATG because of his career averages , 38 with the bat and 25 with the ball. There is only a handful of players with similar records.

Unlike Trueman, whose record isn't dependent on home wickets, Jadeja's bowling away from home precludes him being rated an ATG all rounder.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Unlike Trueman, whose record isn't dependent on home wickets, Jadeja's bowling away from home precludes him being rated an ATG all rounder.

No it doesn't , he's only really failed with the ball in two places , New Zealand and England and he has done well there with the bat. He's probably the greatest fielder of the 2010's to boot. He's an ATG for me.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Tbf to Govinda, Pant has seriously declined since his return, but as a keeper that is, not batsman.

His keeping has gotten even worse? How is that possible

 

[capt_Luffy]

His keeping has gotten even worse? How is that possible

Before accident his keeping actually had improved significantly. He was no way a great keeper, but was bordering to be good and was still improving.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Before accident his keeping actually had improved significantly. He was no way a great keeper, but was bordering to be good and was still improving.

If his keeping is that bad surely just play him as a bat because as far as I'm aware India seem to have a few very good keeper batsmen. Island Kishan, the guy who was here in Australia last year whose name I can't remember. Probably a few others too

Edit: Dhruv Jurel. Saw him live at the MCG against Aus A he looked very good

 

[Johan]

Island Kishan

 

[TheJediBrah]

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