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Cricinfo's Greatest Intl Cricketers this Century
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TheJediBrah
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Root is better than Williamson no matter how you weigh it
TheJediBrah
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You really think New Zealand are a worse side than England?
Burgey
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Well Root has had the likes of Cook and Pietersen, even Bell in his side (allowing that Bell was better at the time Root came along than the hapless water buffalo he was earlier). Even Brook biffs around the lesser countries and he's a walking lobotomy, while Stokes chimes in every now and then too. Over the course of their careers, Root has had it much easier than Williamson imo.
TheJediBrah
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Look if that's all you've got, it's no where near enough to make up the difference between them. As much as I hate the Cricket Chat analysis by check-list habit, and think it's often misleading or irrelevant, in the case of Williamson it's very telling.
Williamson's performance against the better sides and/or away from NZ are depressingly mediocre. He's stat padded against minnows like he's doing an impression of a 00s Sri Lankan. They might have been on similar levels 10 years ago but Root is just so much better now, even comparing their whole careers
Williamson's performance against the better sides and/or away from NZ are depressingly mediocre. He's stat padded against minnows like he's doing an impression of a 00s Sri Lankan. They might have been on similar levels 10 years ago but Root is just so much better now, even comparing their whole careers
Burgey
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I quite agree
TheJediBrah
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I get thet you're doing a bit but let's be honest it's all based on the Ashes which is fair enough, but Australia is the only proper overseas country he averages less than 45 in. India, South Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan even Sri Lanka he averages over 45. Compared that to Williamson, it's no contest.
I hate that I'm doing analysis by checklist but it's just so damning
Edit: Williamson averages 25 in Eng, 33 in India, 21 in SA and 29 in SL. It's ****ing terrible. His stats are based on bullying West Indies, Zimbabwe etc and was blessed with the flattest roads in history when he happened to tour Australia
I hate that I'm doing analysis by checklist but it's just so damning
Edit: Williamson averages 25 in Eng, 33 in India, 21 in SA and 29 in SL. It's ****ing terrible. His stats are based on bullying West Indies, Zimbabwe etc and was blessed with the flattest roads in history when he happened to tour Australia
ataraxia
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Yeah he only averages 36 in Ireland as well. So damning.
Adders
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See, right there is the problem.
TheJediBrah
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I would appreciate that. Realistically Williamson is an above average international batsman. Not even an ATVG, whereas Root is borderline ATG
cricket fan 2003
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Apart from McGrath and kallis no one is better than Root Root not performing in ashes but Tendulkar also **** in the pants in crunch Matches Jadeja Ashwin Broad Anderson Flintoff Smith Starc Amla on what basis they are better than Root
Adders
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Removed the names I accept as better..........all of the bolded can come straight off the list, the rest are all debatable when assessing across all formats.
Smith
Cummins
Starc
Lyon+
Hayden
Haze^
Bumrah
Dravid
Ashwin
Jadeja
Pietersen
Cook
Flintoff
Stokes
Anderson
Broad
Williamson
De Villiers
Amla
G Smith
Smith
Cummins
Starc
Lyon+
Hayden
Haze^
Bumrah
Dravid
Ashwin
Jadeja
Pietersen
Cook
Flintoff
Stokes
Anderson
Broad
Williamson
De Villiers
Amla
G Smith
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capt_Luffy
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How is Haze better than Dravid?
TheJediBrah
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Hard to compare such different types of players, so I would guess that when comparing to Root (a batsman) you could more clearly say he's better than Dravid than he's better than Hazlewood.
Not saying he is better, but just that it's a more clear comparison
Adders
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TBH I find it next to impossible to try and compare bowlers to batsmen........my thought is that Haze was a genuine great across the 3 formats. I don't think Dravids white ball career stacks up as well.
Fuller Pilch
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Williamson was player of the tournament in the 2019 WC and clearly robbed of a winner's medal as captain. The bloke averages over 60 in ODI World Cups, whereas Root averages 45.
He also scored 85 off 48 in the 2021 T20 WC final. Had NZ won the toss, he won have won that tournament too and would've been winning captain of all 3 big ICC titles at once after stepping up to be the best batsman of the 2021 WTC final.
One was a very good captain, while the other was a terrible captain.
He also scored 85 off 48 in the 2021 T20 WC final. Had NZ won the toss, he won have won that tournament too and would've been winning captain of all 3 big ICC titles at once after stepping up to be the best batsman of the 2021 WTC final.
One was a very good captain, while the other was a terrible captain.
Burgey
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You’re biased though
Adders
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The board has spoken.........he's out!!