Best Bowlers to Debut post 2000

[Paranoid Kendroid]

Tier 4 - Lyon, Broad, Hazelwood, Starc, Philander, Boult, Wagner, Johnson, Shami, Jansen( maybe)

Jadeja deserves a mention.

 

[Line and Length]

Broad is too high.

Watch this and tell me who has produced a more devastating spell.

 

[Majestic]

Watch this and tell me who has produced a more devastating spell.

Great spell but that's one performance. There was one more in Wanderers vs SA 2016. Both are my favourites but I can't rate him higher than Cummins, Rabada, Anderson or Ashwin. They also have such spells and even series dominating performances. Starc produced a phenomenal spell few days ago where he got a 7-58 something.

 

[Majestic]

Jadeja deserves a mention.

Probably below Lyon.

 

[Coronis]

Watch this and tell me who has produced a more devastating spell.

Broad is one you’d call a bowler of great spells rather than a great bowler. Think of.. Laxman as an analogy.

 

[Johan]

It's quite funny that Lillee and Tiger were the points of discussions in a thread dedicated to post-2000s bowlers, on that, I will say Lillee is as close to Tiger as Anderson is to Lillee, all three are in very distinctly different tiers. Anyway

1. Dale Steyn
2. Jasprit Bumrah
3. Pat Cummins/James Anderson
4. Pat Cummins/James Anderson
5. Kagiso Rabada
6. Ravi Ashwin
7. Vernon Philander
8. Josh Hazlewood
9. Stuart Broad
10. Nathan Lyon

thought about Asif, but went with guys who took 550/600 wickets over the guy who sold out for some cash.

Rabada I've looked into a bit and concluded he's just good in Australia/England rather than great or anything, his home stats are greatly boosted by the spiciness of Saffer wickets since 2015~ and he has overall tanked in Asia. He has gone a bit lower in my estimation.

 

[Coronis]

Wabada and Cummins have the WTC though

 

[Majestic]

Starc should also be in top 10.

410 wickets, Avg 26.5

 

[Johan]

Broad is one you’d call a bowler of great spells rather than a great bowler. Think of.. Laxman as an analogy.

McCabe perhaps? Laxman was more an architect of great knocks, He didn't run through teams like a Broad, McCabe or Pietersen.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Starc should also be in top 10.

410 wickets, Avg 26.5

Averages in countries:

India: 53
Pakistan: 34
UAE: 53
SA: 35
NZ: 43

And with 26 at Home and 30 in England, it's far from that he dominated in those places. His away SL record is Great, but did a fair bit of minnow bashing otherwise. Johnson better.

 

[Johan]

I agree. Root isn’t on Viv’s level.

Eh Root's closer to Viv than Lillee's to Tiger, a level gap in both cases.

 

[ankitj]

Watch this and tell me who has produced a more devastating spell.

Boycott on commentary says Smith "has no chance against the moving ball" haha

 

[Johan]

Boycott on commentary says Smith "has no chance against the moving ball" haha

Long standing tradition of the English to underestimate an Australian bat and then being shut up. IIRC, the experts of the day said Bradman would fail in England in 1930, instead he made 971 runs in 7 innings which is the record till today.

 

[Majestic]

Averages in countries:

India: 53
Pakistan: 34
UAE: 53
SA: 35
NZ: 43

And with 26 at Home and 30 in England, it's far from that he dominated in those places. His away SL record is Great, but did a fair bit of minnow bashing otherwise. Johnson better.

That’s very biased opinion when it comes to rating one player vs another.

 

[Coronis]

Long standing tradition of the English to underestimate an Australian bat and then being shut up. IIRC, the experts of the day said Bradman would fail in England in 1930, instead he made 971 runs in 7 innings which is the record till today.

Um akshually, 974.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That’s very biased opinion when it comes to rating one player vs another.

It's bias to say his away record is largely mid and he don't do enough at Home to offset that!??

 

[Majestic]

It's bias to say his away record is largely mid and he don't do enough at Home to offset that!??

Not appreciating a performance of fast bowler in Sri Lanka is bias. Many elite pacers have failed there. If you know the numbers of Johnson, Hazelwood and Patty, you won’t undermine that performance by Starc.

I am sure if we look at away averages of all fast bowlers excluding WI and BD since 2000 debut, you will find that Starc away average is actually much better than calling it largely mid. I will probably do a statguru filter to showcase them a bit later.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not appreciating a performance of fast bowler in Sri Lanka is bias. Many elite pacers have failed there. If you know the numbers of Johnson, Hazelwood and Patty, you won’t undermine that performance by Starc.

I am sure if we look at away averages of all fast bowlers excluding WI and BD since 2000 debut, you will find that Starc away average is actually much better than calling it largely mid. I will probably do a statguru filter to showcase them a bit later.

Starc did Great in SL, no doubt. But you can't look at his away record overall and call it Great. Neither he is at Home. As I said, put simply, I don't think he is as good as Johnson, Shami or Wagner.

 

[Majestic]

Starc did Great in SL, no doubt. But you can't look at his away record overall and call it Great. Neither he is at Home. As I said, put simply, I don't think he is as good as Johnson, Shami or Wagner.

Let’s look at away record of fast bowlers since 2000. Starc away record is better than below names:-

Hazelwood
Rabada
Boult
Shami
Broad
Anderson
Johnson

In addition to this, Starc is among the few genuine fast bowlers who have longevity of 100+ tests and still going strong. None of Johnson, Hazelwood, Cummins are as durable as him. All this despite playing more ODI games and ODI wickets than each of them. Not rating him high is a punishable offence.

 

[Majestic]

Adding to the above, back to back spells when it matters the most in Ashes in absence of Cummins and Hazelwood further strengthens his claim because he is performing at biggest stage and without support of two elite bowlers.