Thala_0710
Cricketer Of The Year
Don't underestimate him
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Best Bowlers to Debut post 2000
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capt_Luffy
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah but like I said, Tiger and Lillee aren't the same tier, It's like saying Alastair Cook is better than Sunil Gavaskar because modern hurr durr, makes zero sense.
Also, Dude, we all know you're hopelessly obsessed with Sachin and all your views are tailored to uphold him, you don't need to mention him in every conversation.
The Centenary Test at Melbourne in 1977 was a massive event. 218 former players were invited, the largest such gathering in history. The Queen was in attendance.
But it was not a celebration of Test cricket. Only of England v Australia. Every single cricketer invited was English or Australian, despite just over a quarter of Tests to that point having involved The Ashes.
The match marked a turning point in cricket writing and broadcasting. For the last time the focus of commentators was almost entirely on The Ashes and the past, appealing to what they believed to be their middle-aged, middle-class audience. Soon the Packer story would break. A few months later Commonwealth leaders at Gleneagles put paid to the return to international sport of apartheid South Africa that MCC and the ACB had been advocating.
Commercial entities became more prominent in covering the game, promoting their product by talking up current/modern players instead of those of long ago. On the field Australia and England no longer called the shots.
Opinions such as those expressed below by Suresh Menon for the BBC in 2010 have become commonplace. Menon was supported by several others including Brian Lara. (Only a week ago The Guardian’s 52 judges voted Warne the greatest-ever Ashes cricketer).
“Is Sachin Tendulkar the greatest cricketer ever? Is he the greatest batsman of all time? The glib answer first. Yes. Because it is in the nature of sport to produce bigger and better champions. In sports where progress can be measured, this is seen in the faster timings, longer jumps and greater heights recorded by modern athletes. Bradman's stature has grown every year that he hasn't played.
Where the careers of Bradman and Tendulkar begin to diverge is in the range and variety of international cricket the Indian has played. There were no one-day internationals in Bradman's time. Bradman toured only England; he only played Tests at 10 venues - five in Australia and five in England. In contrast, Tendulkar has played Tests in 10 countries, one-dayers in 17. He has played at 94 venues.
After 50 [Test hundreds], what? A hundred international centuries (Tendulkar has 96), perhaps a World Cup win, maybe 200 Test matches? Tendulkar has become used to those setting goals on his behalf moving the goalpost as he achieves these with almost monotonous inevitability.”
But it was not a celebration of Test cricket. Only of England v Australia. Every single cricketer invited was English or Australian, despite just over a quarter of Tests to that point having involved The Ashes.
The match marked a turning point in cricket writing and broadcasting. For the last time the focus of commentators was almost entirely on The Ashes and the past, appealing to what they believed to be their middle-aged, middle-class audience. Soon the Packer story would break. A few months later Commonwealth leaders at Gleneagles put paid to the return to international sport of apartheid South Africa that MCC and the ACB had been advocating.
Commercial entities became more prominent in covering the game, promoting their product by talking up current/modern players instead of those of long ago. On the field Australia and England no longer called the shots.
Opinions such as those expressed below by Suresh Menon for the BBC in 2010 have become commonplace. Menon was supported by several others including Brian Lara. (Only a week ago The Guardian’s 52 judges voted Warne the greatest-ever Ashes cricketer).
“Is Sachin Tendulkar the greatest cricketer ever? Is he the greatest batsman of all time? The glib answer first. Yes. Because it is in the nature of sport to produce bigger and better champions. In sports where progress can be measured, this is seen in the faster timings, longer jumps and greater heights recorded by modern athletes. Bradman's stature has grown every year that he hasn't played.
Where the careers of Bradman and Tendulkar begin to diverge is in the range and variety of international cricket the Indian has played. There were no one-day internationals in Bradman's time. Bradman toured only England; he only played Tests at 10 venues - five in Australia and five in England. In contrast, Tendulkar has played Tests in 10 countries, one-dayers in 17. He has played at 94 venues.
After 50 [Test hundreds], what? A hundred international centuries (Tendulkar has 96), perhaps a World Cup win, maybe 200 Test matches? Tendulkar has become used to those setting goals on his behalf moving the goalpost as he achieves these with almost monotonous inevitability.”
Match AVG Vs Own AVG for some Modern day greats
Bumrah -
* Own AVG -19.79
* Match AVG - 28.99
* Ratio -0.68
Cummins -
* Own AVG - 22.10
* Match AVG -30.76
* Ratio -0.71
Hazlewood
* Own AVG -24.21
* Match AVG -32.38
* Ratio -0.74
Starc
* Own AVG -26.64
* Match AVG -30.94
* Ratio -0.86
McGrath -
* Own AVG -21.64
* Match AVG -33.64
* Ratio,-0.64
Marshall -
* Own AVG -20.94
* Match AVG -30.79
* Ratio -0.64
Steyn
* Own AVG -22.95
* Match AVG -34.57
* Ratio -0.66
Rabada -
* Own AVG -22.67
* Match AVG -27.68
* Ratio -0.79
Ambrose -
* Own AVG -20.99
* Match AVG -30.19
* Ratio -0.69
Boland -
* Own AVG -16.96
* Match AVG -26.26
* Ratio -0.64
Bumrah -
* Own AVG -19.79
* Match AVG - 28.99
* Ratio -0.68
Cummins -
* Own AVG - 22.10
* Match AVG -30.76
* Ratio -0.71
Hazlewood
* Own AVG -24.21
* Match AVG -32.38
* Ratio -0.74
Starc
* Own AVG -26.64
* Match AVG -30.94
* Ratio -0.86
McGrath -
* Own AVG -21.64
* Match AVG -33.64
* Ratio,-0.64
Marshall -
* Own AVG -20.94
* Match AVG -30.79
* Ratio -0.64
Steyn
* Own AVG -22.95
* Match AVG -34.57
* Ratio -0.66
Rabada -
* Own AVG -22.67
* Match AVG -27.68
* Ratio -0.79
Ambrose -
* Own AVG -20.99
* Match AVG -30.19
* Ratio -0.69
Boland -
* Own AVG -16.96
* Match AVG -26.26
* Ratio -0.64
Thala_0710
Cricketer Of The Year
Boland has got to be ragebait right?
Isn't he already a modern day great?
What are the criteria to be a modern day great?
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
Thala_0710
Cricketer Of The Year
Because he's been good in a couple of series at home on green wickets?
manoftommorow
State Vice-Captain
Here my list:
Dale Steyn
Jasprit Bumrah
James Anderson
Kagiso Rabada
Stuart Broad
Ravichandran Ashwin
Pat Cummins
Vernon Philander
Shane Bond
Lasith Malinga
Dale Steyn
Jasprit Bumrah
James Anderson
Kagiso Rabada
Stuart Broad
Ravichandran Ashwin
Pat Cummins
Vernon Philander
Shane Bond
Lasith Malinga
capt_Luffy
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Cummins wayyyyy too low. And who invited Malinga?? Bro thinks he is on the team.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
Malinga fine if it's a cross format list. Not so much for Test only.
capt_Luffy
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Then Bumrah should be no 1. And even then, Starc definitely comes ahead! And Boult. And Shami.
Silver Silva
International Captain
Mine is :
1.Bumrah
2.Steyn
3.Cummins
4.Anderson
5.Ashwin
6.Rabada
7.Asif
8.Harris
9.Hazlewood
10.Philander
1.Bumrah
2.Steyn
3.Cummins
4.Anderson
5.Ashwin
6.Rabada
7.Asif
8.Harris
9.Hazlewood
10.Philander
sayon basak
International Coach
This thread has been Hijacked by pathetic individuals like this.
Coronis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I agree. Root isn’t on Viv’s level.
I would rather pick Marco Jansen above Boland
Broad is too high.