Absurdly Awesome Cricket Stats

[ataraxia]

At the other end of the scale, there's S Venkataraghavan.

 

[Ali TT]

Wouldn't call it awesome but in the history of T20i cricket, only once has a full-member nation lost a match despite losing no wickets in their innings.

And I wouldn't even blame them considering the circumstances.

Praveen Kumar's last game for India

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

full-member nation

Slight correction. Any nation

 

[Silver Silva]

Asif Afridi at 38 years old became the oldest Test cricketer to take a 5for on Test debut

Previous record was held by Charles Marriott who took 11 wickets in his only test in 1933 for England , just before World War 2

 

[271 & 16/166]

Asif Afridi at 38 years old became the oldest Test cricketer to take a 5for on Test debut

Previous record was held by Charles Marriott who took 11 wickets in his only test in 1933 for England , just before World War 2

Great pick up, anything concerning "Father" Marriott will be highlighted by Geoff and Adam on the Final Word

 

[Jane Austen]

ML Su'a and MLV Raju.

Let's not overlook JOHN ELICIUS BENEDICT BERNARD PLACID QUIRK (appropriate) CARRINGTON DWYER.
Not a Test cricketer but a very useful,if occasionally erratic,right-arm,fast-medium bowler for Sussex before WW1,taking 179 wickets in 61 games.
He was born in NSW on 3/5/1886 and died in Crewe,UK on 19/10/1912.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Let's not overlook JOHN ELICIUS BENEDICT BERNARD PLACID QUIRK (appropriate) CARRINGTON DWYER.
Not a Test cricketer but a very useful,if occasionally erratic,right-arm,fast-medium bowler for Sussex before WW1,taking 179 wickets in 61 games.
He was born in NSW on 3/5/1886 and died in Crewe,UK on 19/10/1912.

Good but can't come close to top:
Ilikena Lasarusa Talebulamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau

 

[Jane Austen]

Asif Afridi at 38 years old became the oldest Test cricketer to take a 5for on Test debut

Previous record was held by Charles Marriott who took 11 wickets in his only test in 1933 for England , just before World War 2

Great stat.Thanks.
John Traicos holds a similar record which may survive as long as fellow off-spinner Jim Laker's 19 for 90 although not quite as prestigious.
When Traicos took 5 for 86 for Zimbabwe against India in October 1992,in what was their maiden Test,he was,and remains,the oldest player to take a 5for when making a Test debut for a particular country/region.
Of course Traicos had originally played Test cricket for South Africa v Australia in 1969/70 season.
Born on 17/5/1947 he was 45+ on his Zimbabwe debut.
Oh,by the way,the first wicket he took for Zimbabwe was one SR Tendulkar,the 19 year-old prodigy of prodigies.....NOUGHT,3rd ball!
A victory for aged sagacity over youthful genius on this occasion.

 

[Jane Austen]

Good but can't come close to top:
Ilikena Lasarusa Talebulamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau

But only TWO given names for the great Bula,Capt.

 

[capt_Luffy]

But only TWO given names for the great Bula,Capt.

Quality over Quantity imo

 

[Jane Austen]

Quality over Quantity imo

I will interpret your remark,Capt,as Barry Richards over Geoffrey Boycott!
Regards to you as always.

 

[Jane Austen]

I will interpret your remark,Capt,as Barry Richards over Geoffrey Boycott!
Regards to you as always.

Shame on you Capt.As a Victor Trumper lover I thought you would agree!

 

[capt_Luffy]

Shame on you Capt.As a Victor Trumper lover I thought you would agree!

I like Boycott as well, and feel Barry's achievements are a bit overblown for him not getting a proper career. Barry's FC career was quite short by ATG batsman standards, like even without Apartheid, he would only have an 8 years long Test career, and Sir Geoff actually outscored him by a significant margin (avg 67 vs 50 iirc), in all of Barry's County Seasons.

 

[Jane Austen]

I like Boycott as well, and feel Barry's achievements are a bit overblown for him not getting a proper career. Barry's FC career was quite short by ATG batsman standards, like even without Apartheid, he would only have an 8 years long Test career, and Sir Geoff actually outscored him by a significant margin (avg 67 vs 50 iirc), in all of Barry's County Seasons.

I'm going to gently take up the cudgels with you Capt.
After leaving Hampshire in 1978 Richards continued playing Currie Cup in SA to the end of the 1982/83,scoring effortless runs.
Perhaps,more importantly,he was a brilliant and prolific run-getter against a battery of the greatest fast bowlers ever assembled, whilst playing in WSC,and recognised by cognoscenti critics as a mark of greatness.
His first-class career lasted eighteen years,starting in South African domestic cricket as a 19 year-old prodigy in 1964/65.
And he did score over 28000 runs-not a negligible amount!
His strike rate was much faster than the cautious Boycott and yet his career average is comparable---54.75 to 56.83.
I don't think that Boycott,great batter that he was,would have scored 325* in a day against quality bowlers such as Lillee,McKenzie,
Lock and Brayshaw(all 10 in an innings).
Finally,The Don supports me----Bradman picked Richards in an ATG X1.
Capt,of course both are great players,each will have statistical achievements which can be highlighted to support the differing opinion held and neither of us is "right or wrong".
I am old enough and lucky enough to have seen both these great players a lot.
For me,Boycott was a technically perfect defensive batter,like,say,Dravid and Kallis more recently.
A great innings by Barry Richards though took me into the realms of fantasy.He,too,had a perfect technique but he put a bloom upon the orhodox-------that is to say that he would play seemingly outrageous strokes but he had so much time that they looked as orthodox as a cover-drive to a half-volley.
We are both right Capt.

 

[Bert]

Speaking of ‘disappointing achievements‘,

H.Sutcliffe had the record of scoring the most number of runs in a losing cause in 1925.

It took over 75 years, for someone to break that record, A. Flower in 2001

Lara broke that record less than 3 months later

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'm going to gently take up the cudgels with you Capt.
After leaving Hampshire in 1978 Richards continued playing Currie Cup in SA to the end of the 1982/83,scoring effortless runs.
Perhaps,more importantly,he was a brilliant and prolific run-getter against a battery of the greatest fast bowlers ever assembled, whilst playing in WSC,and recognised by cognoscenti critics as a mark of greatness.
His first-class career lasted eighteen years,starting in South African domestic cricket as a 19 year-old prodigy in 1964/65.
And he did score over 28000 runs-not a negligible amount!
His strike rate was much faster than the cautious Boycott and yet his career average is comparable---54.75 to 56.83.
I don't think that Boycott,great batter that he was,would have scored 325* in a day against quality bowlers such as Lillee,McKenzie,
Lock and Brayshaw(all 10 in an innings).
Finally,The Don supports me----Bradman picked Richards in an ATG X1.
Capt,of course both are great players,each will have statistical achievements which can be highlighted to support the differing opinion held and neither of us is "right or wrong".
I am old enough and lucky enough to have seen both these great players a lot.
For me,Boycott was a technically perfect defensive batter,like,say,Dravid and Kallis more recently.
A great innings by Barry Richards though took me into the realms of fantasy.He,too,had a perfect technique but he put a bloom upon the orhodox-------that is to say that he would play seemingly outrageous strokes but he had so much time that they looked as orthodox as a cover-drive to a half-volley.
We are both right Capt.

Barry played 2 seasons of FC after 78, in 1981 and 1982. 20 matches and averaged 37 odd in them. He by all accounts was done by 78, especially after the WSC.

He was excellent in WSC, but it was only 5 games. I can't, in good faith, use that to rate him super highly.

19 years yes, but only on paper. His last 4-5 years he played just 20 games. Imo, shan't count to his longevity. He was, a Test quality player, between 67-78, 11 years. Pretty small by ATG standards.

I really am not a SR fanatic. I know, strange from a Victor Trumper fan. And I also know you value SR highly. But I really don't. And in the seasons that overlapped, their averages were 67 and 50.

Great innings that 365*, no doubt. But the lineup read better than it was (Lillee was pre-debut and averaging 37 back then, Lock was 41, and McKenzie was finished) and the ground was super small. Overall, still ATG knock.

Most likely, that team wasn't picked by Don. Just not that the team composition is horrible, with Tallon (averages 19 in Tests and never batted above 8) batting at 6. It was published after his death, by someone who claimed it was given to them by Don.


I have nothing but the utmost respect for the rest part. I saw neither bat live, and am not idiotic enough to argue with someone who did. What I do think though, is that we are by nature more attracted towards attacking stylish individuals over dull boring ones.

 

[Jane Austen]

Barry played 2 seasons of FC after 78, in 1981 and 1982. 20 matches and averaged 37 odd in them. He by all accounts was done by 78, especially after the WSC.

He was excellent in WSC, but it was only 5 games. I can't, in good faith, use that to rate him super highly.

19 years yes, but only on paper. His last 4-5 years he played just 20 games. Imo, shan't count to his longevity. He was, a Test quality player, between 67-78, 11 years. Pretty small by ATG standards.

I really am not a SR fanatic. I know, strange from a Victor Trumper fan. And I also know you value SR highly. But I really don't. And in the seasons that overlapped, their averages were 67 and 50.

Great innings that 365*, no doubt. But the lineup read better than it was (Lillee was pretty debut and averaging 37 back then, Lock was 41, and McKenzie was finished) and the ground was super small. Overall, still ATG knock.

Most likely, that team wasn't picked by Don. Just not that the team composition is horrible, with Tallon (averages 19 in Tests and never batted above 8) batting at 6. It was published after his death, by someone who claimed it was given to them by Don.


I have nothing but the utmost respect for the rest part. I saw neither bat live, and am not idiotic enough to argue with someone who did. What I do think though, is that we are by nature more attracted towards attacking stylish individuals over dull boring ones.

You make good points as always Capt. but I don't suppose we will persuade the other to change their mind.
One very interesting point is made by you in your last sentence.
I can't give sustantive evidence,it being difficult to quantify statistically,but,like you,cricket fans,media and,yes,selectors too,are influenced by what is loosely referred to as"style".That influence is often subconscious.Cowdrey or Graveney may be picked over Barrington and,in more modern parlance,Crawley chosen rather than Sibley.It can also work the other way.The likes of Colin Milburn,Dwayne Smith,Vinod Kambli,Imran Nazir were never fully trusted by selectors.
I hope I'm not taking up too much of your time with my correspondence but you keep raising interesting matters so don't feel you have to reply if you don't want to.
Regards

 

[capt_Luffy]

You make good points as always Capt. but I don't suppose we will persuade the other to change their mind.
One very interesting point is made by you in your last sentence.
I can't give sustantive evidence,it being difficult to quantify statistically,but,like you,cricket fans,media and,yes,selectors too,are influenced by what is loosely referred to as"style".That influence is often subconscious.Cowdrey or Graveney may be picked over Barrington and,in more modern parlance,Crawley chosen rather than Sibley.It can also work the other way.The likes of Colin Milburn,Dwayne Smith,Vinod Kambli,Imran Nazir were never fully trusted by selectors.
I hope I'm not taking up too much of your time with my correspondence but you keep raising interesting matters so don't feel you have to reply if you don't want to.
Regards

My time is always free for insights from a veteran fan like you sir

 

[peterhrt]

Englishmen, and a few others, of a certain age will tell you that Barry Richards was the best batsman they ever saw, or at least one of the top three. Many of those who didn't see him will claim that only appearing in four Tests rules him out of the top tier. There is no middle ground.

What is certain is that virtually nobody at the time thought Boycott was better than Richards. And they were fully aware of the averages. It wasn't just style. Boycott was one of those defensive batsmen, like Kallis, whose technique made him good to watch. As Lillee said, Boycott simply didn't take the initiative often enough. Brian Close captained him plenty and said he would not pick him for an all-time Yorkshire XI because of his refusal to accelerate when the need arose to press for victory. According to Close it cost the team wins.

Boycott's supporters argued that he was often playing in a less than strong batting side and helped save matches that would otherwise have been lost. That may have been true but it didn't really do a lot for his reputation.

 

[Jane Austen]

My time is always free for insights from a veteran fan like you sir

Appreciated