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    Black Caps marks out of 10 for WC

    NZ marks out of 10 (performances in knockout phase have heavier rating)

    Guppy - 8.5, top scorer in the tournament with a ton and a double. Looked to have weathered the storm in the final only to get out to a loose shot

    BMac - 8, both his aggressive batting and captaincy led the way for NZ. However he didn't capitalize on his good starts and failed in the final

    Williamson - 5, played one game winning innings but otherwise was ordinary by his own high standards

    Taylor - 6.5, struggled through the early stages but contributed runs when it mattered most. I guess it will always be a case of what could have been for NZ had he and Elliot carried on through the PP in the final

    Elliot - 8, slow start to the tournament but proved his worth in the semi and final

    Anderson - 6, some handy performances with both bat and ball. Go to man for a wicket for most of the tournament. Failed in final

    Ronchi - 2, pretty ordinary performance. Dropped catches and didn't contribute with the bat

    Southee - 6, had one really good game against England which contributed to almost half his tally for the WC. Otherwise he was expensive

    Vettori - 7, game changing ability throughout the tournament. Stemmed the flow of runs on a number of occasions. Was determined with the bat but didn't quite have that batting spark of yesteryear

    Boult - 9, Player of the series for NZ. Bowled beautifully throughout the tournament

    Henry - 7, played well in both the semi and final given he was playing domestic cricket just days before the semi. I'd have him over Milne any day

    Milne - 4, pace ain't everything.

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    I'm giving them all tens, but a 12 for McCullum.

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    Ronchi, Kane and Southee the disappointments. Ronchi mia the whole tournament, Southee bowling filth after one great performance, Kane was supposed to be better than Smith in ODIs - proved to be mia when it counted.
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    Harsh on Milne and Anderson IMO.
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    Largely agree although I think Milne largely did what he was picked to do, plus great catch against England. I've give him a 6.

    Southee's 7 wicket bag against England was so good I'd mark him up to a 7 overall.

    Anderson scored crucial runs against Sri Lanka and then under massive pressure in the games against Australia (at Eden Park) & South Africa. Picked up handy wickets too, so 7.5.

    Elliott started slowly, but performances to get NZ past South Africa and then save us from total humiliation in the final were truly remarkable. On radio Michael Vaughan asked what McCullum had done to turn Elliott into Steve Waugh. I'd give him a 9 just for those performances under white-hot pressure. Plus, his gesture extending a hand to the stricken Dale Steyn became one of the enduring images of the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcas0167 View Post
    Southee's 7 wicket bag against England was so good I'd mark him up to a 7 overall.
    He averaged 55 @ an econ of 6 aside from that game. No way should he be anything above a 4-5.

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    No way Taylor gets higher than Anderson your tripping, his 40 in the final was nowhere near as important/match defining as Coreys 50 in the semi. Taylor's 40 was actually pretty crap it only looked good against the rest of our pitiful display bar Elliott. (It was still easily the 2nd best innings but hardly warranting extra points in ratings, the rest of his world cup was dire.) He was only surviving any way, Elliott was lapping him and was the one putting pressure back on the Aussies. He also threw it away when he could have actually started taking the game to the aussies. He got out off a crap ball the first of the PP and Anderson and Ronchi had to come out and start with shadows on the pitch. I'd give him a 6.5 for the final maybe but max 5 for the world cup.

    Corey pre final was in most peoples World Cup XI's ffs. 5 for Taylor and 7.5 for Anderson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo the giant View Post
    No way Taylor gets higher than Anderson your tripping, his 40 in the final was nowhere near as important/match defining as Coreys 50 in the semi. Taylor's 40 was actually pretty crap it only looked good against the rest of our pitiful display bar Elliott. (It was still easily the 2nd best innings but hardly warranting extra points in ratings, the rest of his world cup was dire.) He was only surviving any way, Elliott was lapping him and was the one putting pressure back on the Aussies. He also threw it away when he could have actually started taking the game to the aussies. He got out off a crap ball the first of the PP and Anderson and Ronchi had to come out and start with shadows on the pitch. I'd give him a 6.5 for the final maybe but max 5 for the world cup.

    Corey pre final was in most peoples World Cup XI's ffs. 5 for Taylor and 7.5 for Anderson
    I agree on Corey. I've been a bit harsh on him probably because of his 2nd ball duck in the final. He had a good tournament getting both crucial wickets and runs. Disagree on Taylor though. The runs he did score came at crucial times. Yes, they were not flash but they were very important in the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbrooks View Post
    I agree on Corey. I've been a bit harsh on him probably because of his 2nd ball duck in the final. He had a good tournament getting both crucial wickets and runs. Disagree on Taylor though. The runs he did score came at crucial times. Yes, they were not flash but they were very important in the circumstances.
    Don't get more wrong that 40 was vital at the time, however he did a lot of the hard work and then threw it away when the job wasn't even half done. The problem with Taylor at the moment is he struggles to go though the gears he seems to gut stuck in survival mode and when it comes time to start showing some intent he can't up the tempo and gets out. The way he is batting means he will always be leaving it to someone else to play the match changing innings, his team mates have been carrying him in some of these innings. I kind of wonder if Elliott had been striking at 50 could Taylor have upped his game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo the giant View Post
    Don't get more wrong that 40 was vital at the time, however he did a lot of the hard work and then threw it away when the job wasn't even half done. The problem with Taylor at the moment is he struggles to go though the gears he seems to gut stuck in survival mode and when it comes time to start showing some intent he can't up the tempo and gets out. The way he is batting means he will always be leaving it to someone else to play the match changing innings, his team mates have been carrying him in some of these innings. I kind of wonder if Elliott had been striking at 50 could Taylor have upped his game?
    From what I've read and heard It appears this is the role Hesson has asked Taylor to carry out.

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    There's little doubt Ronchi was NZ's worst player in the WC...Not only did he go missing with the bat, but thought his keeper was decidedly average throughout. Signs he's just not a big match/pressure player I afraid. I think that amazing 170 vs. a fairly average SL attack led us all into a false sense of security about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbrooks View Post
    From what I've read and heard It appears this is the role Hesson has asked Taylor to carry out.
    I don't think Hess really wants him to strike at less than 65 tbh though. In the current ODI climate a 100 ball 65 isn't going to win many matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    There's little doubt Ronchi was NZ's worst player in the WC...Not only did he go missing with the bat, but thought his keeper was decidedly average throughout. Signs he's just not a big match/pressure player I afraid. I think that amazing 170 vs. a fairly average SL attack led us all into a false sense of security about him.
    For sure Ronchi was a bit of a failure all right, Watling for the next cup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    There's little doubt Ronchi was NZ's worst player in the WC...Not only did he go missing with the bat, but thought his keeper was decidedly average throughout. Signs he's just not a big match/pressure player I afraid. I think that amazing 170 vs. a fairly average SL attack led us all into a false sense of security about him.
    Yea after that game I truly believed NZ could go all the way.. Didn't expect him to do that well, but didn't expect him to be useless either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo the giant View Post
    For sure Ronchi was a bit of a failure all right, Watling for the next cup?
    It's 4 years away - too soon to know who will be in form, whether new players like Seifert, Fletcher or Phillips have come through etc.

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