The Best Team from the Group Stage

[honestbharani]

I like how India have done well in the group stages and yet no one really stands out enough to be justified a starting spot in a combined XI.. Maybe Dhawan excluded.. After years of seeing individuals do great and team not so great, this is a welcome change of pace.. Long may it last.. And now that I have said it, I am gonna fear BD thrashing us at MCG

 

[honestbharani]

And FWIW, this is my XI from the group stages with the proviso that I missed quite a few of the games and caught most non-India games only on highlights...


Dhawan
B Mac (c)
Sanga
Taylor (wk)
ABDV
Maxwell
Anderson
Vettori
Starc
Southee
Boult


Might make Starc the 3rd seamer though... Crazy that 2,3,4 and 5 are all wicket keepers too

 

[Daemon]

Im not saying boult hasnt been good either but i think Southee and Starc are a level above at the moment.

How the **** has Southee been better than Boult? Didn't bowl well against Australia, bowled a decent opening spell against Lanka, demolished England, couldn't get a wicket against Afghanistan (lol) and to top it all off had first go at Kayes and couldn't take his wicket. It's hardly like he's been stellar in the middle overs or at the death where most of Boult's criticism comes in either..

 

[Spark]

Mate I only smoke the good **** but there's no cricketer in the world who has watched both of them bowl and pick Shami.

Unless you're talking purely for 3rd seamer reasons - in which case you're still wrong but the point is somewhat close to being justified.

Not really the point though.

 

[Athlai]

How the **** has Southee been better than Boult? Didn't bowl well against Australia, bowled a decent opening spell against Lanka, demolished England, couldn't get a wicket against Afghanistan (lol) and to top it all off had first go at Kayes and couldn't take his wicket. It's hardly like he's been stellar in the middle overs or at the death where most of Boult's criticism comes in either..

Didn't bowl well against Australia? His first spell was poor because his ball wasn't swinging but when he came on from Boults end it sang for him too.

Sometimes there are games you don't get wickets despite deserving them. Southee is a far more complete ODI bowler than Boult.

 

[eroticfishcake]

Shikhar Dhawan
Baz(c)
Sangakkara
Brendan Taylor (wk)
AB de Villiers
Glenn Maxwell
Ashwin
Vettori
Starc
Shami
Boult

 

[honestbharani]

Shikhar Dhawan
Baz(c)
Sangakkara
Brendan Taylor (wk)
AB de Villiers
Glenn Maxwell
Ashwin
Vettori
Starc
Shami
Boult

so basically what I picked but Ashwin over Anderson and Shami as the 12th man

 

[Jimbo the giant]

Didn't bowl well against Australia? His first spell was poor because his ball wasn't swinging but when he came on from Boults end it sang for him too.

Sometimes there are games you don't get wickets despite deserving them. Southee is a far more complete ODI bowler than Boult.

Take the Southee pjs off Athlai.

The ball was not singing for Southee in that game at all. The ball he got Finch with was good apart from that nahh he was not good at all. His first over was the worst over in the history of cricket. I was thinking he had set the tone for one of our most embarrassing defeats. Luckily for him Vettori and Boult saved the day.

Southee is 0/100 against Afghanistan and Bangas that isn't making my team of the tournament. Honestly Shami and Morkel have been more consistent.

Surprised to see Davey get a mention if you saw him bowl you wouldn't. All he has is troll wickets.

 

[Jimbo the giant]

it reminded me a lot of early hilfenhaus and southee tbh i.e. not quite full enough or consistently bowling his areas, so the ball beats the bat and looks good but never takes the edge.

it's the usual indian story. he came onto the scene swinging it both ways at respectable pace and destroying sides and now the non-threatening no movement medium pace factory is threatening him.

Shami is as quick as ever, moves the ball enough. He's improved.

 

[Contra]

"it's the usual indian story. he came onto the scene swinging it both ways at respectable pace and destroying sides and now the non-threatening no movement medium pace factory is threatening him"

This is probably the most inaccurate statement about Shami out there, outside of the debut home series against WI on a pitch which was reversing, he has never "destroyed sides". Shami has always been overrated in test matches, bowling the occasional good ball with a bunch of leg side and short and wide rubbish.

In ODI's he's been India's best death bowler and just best bowler in general. The highest wicket taker since 2014.

 

[G.I.Joe]

It's Shami, not Shammi.

 

[Sarun]

And didn't his full name (the one that appears in the graphics) change from his debut?

 

[Athlai]

Take the Southee pjs off Athlai.

The ball was not singing for Southee in that game at all. The ball he got Finch with was good apart from that nahh he was not good at all. His first over was the worst over in the history of cricket. I was thinking he had set the tone for one of our most embarrassing defeats. Luckily for him Vettori and Boult saved the day.

Southee is 0/100 against Afghanistan and Bangas that isn't making my team of the tournament. Honestly Shami and Morkel have been more consistent.

Surprised to see Davey get a mention if you saw him bowl you wouldn't. All he has is troll wickets.

Yeah that's what I wasimplying about Davey Ffs.

 

[halba]

best bowling in group stage- australia. even tho lost the 1 game, bowlers led by starc nearly defended a measly target.

best batting in group stage - india - consistent in every game, undefeated and not close to losing.

 

[Zinzan]

Southee is a far more complete ODI bowler than Boult.

The argument is who's been the best in the WC so far, not who is overall the more complete bowler though.

 

[hendrix]

Not really the point though.

I should have said "there's no cricketer in the world who's watched them both bowl in this world cup that would pick Shami". That is the point.

And you can't just ignore a 7-for.

 

[Jono]

Yeah people really need to stop arguing who the better bowler is or who they would choose if picking a team. Not the ****ing point of this thread.

 

[Jono]

I like how India have done well in the group stages and yet no one really stands out enough to be justified a starting spot in a combined XI.. Maybe Dhawan excluded.. After years of seeing individuals do great and team not so great, this is a welcome change of pace.. Long may it last.. And now that I have said it, I am gonna fear BD thrashing us at MCG

Yeah very even side at the moment.

 

[Flem274*]

How the **** has Southee been better than Boult? Didn't bowl well against Australia, bowled a decent opening spell against Lanka, demolished England, couldn't get a wicket against Afghanistan (lol) and to top it all off had first go at Kayes and couldn't take his wicket. It's hardly like he's been stellar in the middle overs or at the death where most of Boult's criticism comes in either..

he bowled a few terrible overs up front but with enough pearlers to get finch and warner. after that he was fine.

that was his worst game of the tournament and he still took important wickets. i'll happily take that.

"it's the usual indian story. he came onto the scene swinging it both ways at respectable pace and destroying sides and now the non-threatening no movement medium pace factory is threatening him"

This is probably the most inaccurate statement about Shami out there, outside of the debut home series against WI on a pitch which was reversing, he has never "destroyed sides". Shami has always been overrated in test matches, bowling the occasional good ball with a bunch of leg side and short and wide rubbish.

In ODI's he's been India's best death bowler and just best bowler in general. The highest wicket taker since 2014.

fine, destroyed a side. stop being so pedantic.

since then he's bowled rubbish, as you point out.

 

[Jono]

He bowled mediocre vs. Bangladesh too.

I think Southee's 7-fer puts him just ahead of Shami. Both bowled well this World Cup though.

Starc and Boult definitely ahead of those 2.