England would be the last team to worry South Africa or anyone else. SA also won't face either India or Pakistan in the quarters. TBH I would back them to beat anyone in the quarters.
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Will SA win their first ever 50 over WC knockout game this time?
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Whilst England will be the team that the group b teams want to face in the quarters, Nial isn't wrong. I don't think England would be overly disappointed facing SA in the quarters. SA with their propensity to choke in knockout games and a few issues with balance of the team. The one team England would like to miss if they reach the quarters is India. The other 3 likely teams in SA, Pak and WI are beatable and England have decent recent records against in recent time. India not at all.
England aren't even a shoo in for the quarters. First let's see them get past Bangladesh and Afghanistan before they can think about being "happy" to get South Africa.
Noah
School Boy/Girl Captain
Well if you take the view that Bangladesh and Afghanistan have a good chance of beating England, then no team is really a "shoo in" for the quarters. But England are definitely likely to make the quarters, in which case South Africa are one of the team's we'd feel more comfortable against.
Cabinet96
Global Moderator
Lets all take time to remember the last England v South Africa ODI and last time SA played a knockout 50 over game: 1st Semi-Final: England v South Africa at The Oval, Jun 19, 2013 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
Daemon
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That SA bowling attack...
Daemon
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Wasn't trying to say they lost because of that.
But holy ****, that's got to be the worst attack they've put out in the last few years?
ankitj
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re the title of the thread: SA has also not won any 20 over WC knockout match. Which is amazing for a team of their quality. One of the jinxes you hope will get broken ultimately but they haven't after many tournaments. (Other such jinx is Pakistan against India, a happy one for Indian fans obv)
While we're at it, lakes take a look at the last England v Bangladesh ODI and their last World Cup encounter 28th Match, Group B: Bangladesh v England at Chittagong, Mar 11, 2011 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo. Also the last time England faced an Associate side at the World Cup. 15th Match, Group B: England v Ireland at Bangalore, Mar 2, 2011 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
. England's first priority should be to avoid finishing bottom of their group behind Scotland, not thinking of who they would "like" to face in the quarters. Of course everyone in the other group would "love" to have England. They certainly aren't going any further than that that's for sure.Fuller Pilch
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I reckon they should win their QF(esp if it is in Aus). Beyond that, who knows?
Noah
School Boy/Girl Captain
Well if you're going to drag out the 2011 World Cup, it might be worth pointing out that England still managed to make it to the quarter finals despite those (very unlikely to be repeated) upsets.While we're at it, lakes take a look at the last England v Bangladesh ODI and their last World Cup encounter 28th Match, Group B: Bangladesh v England at Chittagong, Mar 11, 2011 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo. Also the last time England faced an Associate side at the World Cup. 15th Match, Group B: England v Ireland at Bangalore, Mar 2, 2011 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
You know you will.
What's that? England managed to get thrashed by 10 wickets in the quarters after sneaking in despite those (extremely likely to be repeated again and again) "upsets"? Yeah, I hear you.
Whatever gave you that idea?
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Australia and India are the two teams that most will want to avoid. Why? They have the best recent history in knockout tournaments and have +ve win/loss records in recent time against nearly every other team in the competition.
SA have a terrible record in knockout games and whilst most of the players that are associated with choking are gone they are still gonna get the 'choke' term thrown at them by the press and the opposition. They can laugh it off all they want and say they joke about it in the dressing room but that just suggests they are thinking about it and it will be at the back of their minds.
No team are going to be worried about facing SA until they win a knockout game. Sure they'd be favourites against England but England are a poor team. England would still fancy their chances.
Players get used to playing teams and how they do against them. Eng SA games have been reasonably even in recent times but Eng have won the last time in CT SF and in 2011 WC. For that reason plus SA's terrible record in ko games means Broad, Anderson, Morgan etc won't be opposed to playing SA. Also the pressure will once again be on SA if they face Eng in a qf because everyone will be saying that England are crap and SA will be expected to win. That works in England's favour.
I wouldn't though discount SA from winning the whole thing because as others have pointed out all teams have different issues and if they were to get one good knockout win in the QF's the player would soon gain confidence and lose their inhibitions.
SA have a terrible record in knockout games and whilst most of the players that are associated with choking are gone they are still gonna get the 'choke' term thrown at them by the press and the opposition. They can laugh it off all they want and say they joke about it in the dressing room but that just suggests they are thinking about it and it will be at the back of their minds.
No team are going to be worried about facing SA until they win a knockout game. Sure they'd be favourites against England but England are a poor team. England would still fancy their chances.
Players get used to playing teams and how they do against them. Eng SA games have been reasonably even in recent times but Eng have won the last time in CT SF and in 2011 WC. For that reason plus SA's terrible record in ko games means Broad, Anderson, Morgan etc won't be opposed to playing SA. Also the pressure will once again be on SA if they face Eng in a qf because everyone will be saying that England are crap and SA will be expected to win. That works in England's favour.
I wouldn't though discount SA from winning the whole thing because as others have pointed out all teams have different issues and if they were to get one good knockout win in the QF's the player would soon gain confidence and lose their inhibitions.
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Past history means absolutely nothing at all. Hell, if we're going by the past, then according to the 1992 World Cup, both Australia and India will flame out. Also I'm struggling to understand your definition of "recent", if you think that Australia "has the best recent history in knockout tournaments".
Everything is else just a rehash of "Haha SA are CHOCKERS, LOLZ". There's no actual analysis or justification as to why they are weaker or more preferable opponents than Pakistan, India or even the frigging West Indies. Yeah, I'm sure the England brains trust would rather face South Africa than the Windies in the quarters because they won a Champions Trophy match at home with completely different line ups and because Klusener ran Donald out in 99. Why not.
Everything is else just a rehash of "Haha SA are CHOCKERS, LOLZ". There's no actual analysis or justification as to why they are weaker or more preferable opponents than Pakistan, India or even the frigging West Indies. Yeah, I'm sure the England brains trust would rather face South Africa than the Windies in the quarters because they won a Champions Trophy match at home with completely different line ups and because Klusener ran Donald out in 99. Why not.
Cabinet96
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Seriously though, I wouldn't actually rather face SA than those other sides you mentioned bar India, but I'd be happy enough with any of those three. South Africa's weakness is their middle/lower order and their 4th/5th bowlers. They have three or four really standout players but the main contenders are more complete units IMO. If Amla and de Villiers fail, like in that CT match, then they're in big trouble against any decent side (just as well England aren't one hurr hurr hurr).