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    Your New Zealand World Cup Squad if selected today...

    Okay chaps, while we're still 100 days out let's see your selections assuming you were forced to select a 15 man squad (and starting XI) today.

    The major consideration for me was not just to select a NZ side/squad that would be solid, conservative & consistent, but one that was a little more high-risk with players that give us the best possible chance to win big games, particularly at the back-end of the tournament.



    My starting XI
    (assuming a typical NZ ODI pitch playing 1 spinner)


    Jesse Ryder - Prospects aren't looking great now obviously, but he's so critical to the cause for mine. We need a Maverick like him at the top of the innings to have any chance of lifting the cup, not to mention the value his medium-pace bowling would provide. Also a very agile in the field. Can understand people saying, '*** him' now, but I'm still holding out hope he'll be there.

    Kane Williamson - He's good enough to open & doing so allows NZ to play their best 6-7 batsmen. Additionally, I just love the prospect of Kane and Jesse opening & not just for the left/right combination, but I can see their contrasting styles making it difficult for opening attack to know where to bowl. Superb fieldsman.

    Ross Taylor
    - The way Taylor's played his 50 over cricket in the last 12 months or so suggest he's well suited to 3 & once again his promotion allows another middle order batting option in the top 7.

    Corey Anderson
    - Anderson and McCullum can interchange between nos 4-5 depending on the left/right combination. He's in the side primarily as a batsman. If he can bowl some good overs, that's a bonus, but isn't good enough as an ODI bowler to be relied on to do so.

    Brendon McCullum * - There's an argument for him to open again, but can't see he or Hesson doing it & also he can utilize the PP batting at 5, so relatively happy with this.

    Colin Munro - I'm sure this will be a surprise selection for some and I concede it's a risky one, but once again I'm selecting a side to give us the best chance of actually lifting the cup. Munro averages 28 with a SR of near on 100 and is palpably the best at the reverse-shots in the country. His selection also means continued alternation of left and right-handers. Fine fielder & not the worst for 1-2 overs if the pitch spins more than expected.

    Luke Ronchi +
    - So encouraged by his performances against SA recently, provide great value at 7.

    Nathan McCullum
    - Although Vettori may still shade him ever-so-slightly with the ball, I'd still give NcCullum the nod if playing the one spinner since he's so much better in the field than Vettori. His fielding probably saves NZ 5 runs or so per innings whereas Vettori's probably costs the same. Solid no 8, although frustrating with the bat at times.

    Tim Southee
    - To open up in the first game, but has both Henry and Boult nipping at his heels.

    Adam Milne - Keeping with my philosophy of selecting a side to go all the way and win this thing, Milne is an absolute must for me. I would give him an early chance to open in the first game. It's not just that he's 150K + either, the guy really seems to have matured from a couple of years ago. Another good athlete in the field.

    Mitchell Mcclenaghan - Our no 1 ODI bowler atm & so much to love about his attitude. The only trade-off is his sluggishness around the park.

    12th man- Guptill for his fielding.

    Remaining 4 players to make up the squad of 15.

    Matt Henry - Possibly unfair to select Milne ahead of Henry given his consistency in the last 12 months, but a solid replacement if other fast bowlers aren't performing.

    Daniel Vettori - He's a must in the squad. Can keep the pressure on NcCullum if he's not performing and is a must if we play two spinners. Unfortunately a genuine liability getting around the field these days.

    Trent Boult - Unproven at ODI level, but I'd really like him in the squad as an option if there is likely to be plenty of swing about.

    Martin Guptill - Gets in by the skin of his teeth, mainly due to his experience & fielding (not sure of the sub/12th man fielding rule these days). If my Ryder stand-by, Latham is required I'd probably start Latham ahead of Guptill to keep the beautiful left/right combinations going.


    Note: B McCullum is the back-up keeper if Ronchi is injured, so no need for Watling.


    Now for Jesse Ryder's almost inevitable replacement;

    Tom Latham - Obviously a contingency is needed for Jesse.


    Unlucky to miss out ...

    Jimmy Neesham - There's probably both a decent argument for Neesham to be either the stand-by replacement for Ryder or making it as a backup batsman in the squad ahead of a bowler like Boult, especially given his all-round qualities. However, as much as I like Jimmy, his ODI bowling is too much of a liability at this stage of his career and Latham would be more likely to succeed against the new ball as Jesse back-up.

    Obviously there's a fair bit of cricket to be played in the next 100 days, so plenty of things may happen, but what would your team/squad be today?

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    As of today?
    Jesse hasn't played top class cricket so he's out.

    In batting order:
    1. Latham
    2. Neesham/Guptill
    3. Williamson
    4. Taylor
    5. McCullum
    6. Anderson
    7. Ronchi
    8. Vettori
    9. Southee
    10. Henry
    11. Boult

    12. Guptill/Neesham
    13. Mills
    14. Watling
    15. McCleneghan

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    I would have Hendrix squad but without watling. So harsh to leave out nccullum
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    At risk of wearing out a reference, 'too much icing, not enough cake' is a description that perfectly fits that lineup IMO.

    I'm going to assume Ryder is unavailable or at the very least not considered, because I think it's the overwhelming likelihood.

    1. Latham
    2. Guptill
    3. Williamson
    4. Taylor
    5. McCullum
    6. Anderson
    7. Ronchi
    8. Vettori
    9. Southee
    10. Mills
    11. McClenaghan

    12. Watling
    13. Neesham
    14. McCullum
    15. Boult
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    As of today?
    Jesse hasn't played top class cricket so he's out.

    In batting order:
    1. Latham
    2. Neesham/Guptill
    3. Williamson
    4. Taylor
    5. McCullum
    6. Anderson
    7. Ronchi
    8. Vettori
    9. Southee
    10. Henry
    11. Boult

    12. Guptill/Neesham
    13. Mills
    14. Watling
    15. McCleneghan
    For me, It feels about one year late for Mills. Just seems a little less consistent than even 12 months ago now and offers nothing with the bat or in the field these days. Watling's selection is both superfluous & a waste if B Mac can stand in with the gloves if needed.

    NcCullum has been pretty damn consistent for a long time now on pitches not that suitable, so strange you wouldn't even have him in your 15.
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    Personally think Matt Henry has to be in the starting XI.

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    I think Nathan McCullum is an important squad member... not because I actually think he's much good, but that with Williamson banned from bowling, I don't think a purely pace-based attack is a good idea, and Vettori's fitness is way too flaky to take the risk on him getting through the whole tournament.

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    Ok, Nathan McCullum in for McCleneghan.

    Watling is in as cover for Williamson,Taylor, Ronchi and or any other batsman/keeper. Latham is the third keeper in the squad. McCullum the 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    At risk of wearing out a reference, 'too much icing, not enough cake' is a description that perfectly fits that lineup IMO.
    Yes, quite intentionally so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Ok, Nathan McCullum in for McCleneghan.
    You're now dropping our best ODI bowler and 2nd quickest ever to 50 wickets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    You're now dropping our best ODI bowler and 2nd quickest ever to 50 wickets?
    Yup. Southee, Henry, Boult and Mills are better. He might make it in place of Mills. It's a toss up really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I think Nathan McCullum is an important squad member... not because I actually think he's much good, but that with Williamson banned from bowling, I don't think a purely pace-based attack is a good idea, and Vettori's fitness is way too flaky to take the risk on him getting through the whole tournament.
    Fair point, but if Vettori breaks they can call in NcCullum to replace him in the squad. Made even easier by playing all their games in NZ, so he's hardly jetting halfway across the globe to come in as back-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Fair point, but if Vettori breaks they can call in NcCullum to replace him in the squad.
    I think there's a fair chance of Vettori just being too stiff and sore to play two games close together though, rather than just of semi-permanently breaking. If someone is replaced because of injury then they can't be called back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    At risk of wearing out a reference, 'too much icing, not enough cake' is a description that perfectly fits that lineup IMO.

    I'm going to assume Ryder is unavailable or at the very least not considered, because I think it's the overwhelming likelihood.

    1. Latham
    2. Guptill
    3. Williamson
    4. Taylor
    5. McCullum
    6. Anderson
    7. Ronchi
    8. Vettori
    9. Southee
    10. Mills
    11. McClenaghan

    12. Watling
    13. Neesham
    14. McCullum
    15. Boult

    This team doesn't have a 6th bowler. You gotta have someone in the top 5 that can bowl a few overs, which is why I am so gutted over Ryder.
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