"I am very happy and it will allow me to have lot more rice."
Eoin Morgan on being given a rice cooker for being Man of the Match in a Dhaka Premier Division game.
I don't recall saying that but I may have. My gripe is with Dhoni being compared to Bevan. Dhoni has never played the kind of innings Bevan has at WCs. And that's not something I bring up as some sort of tie-breaker - because I think Bevan is better overall regardless. I think it shows a clear lack of respect to compare a colossus of the limited overs game to someone who before today had never played an innings of note at the most important event in said format.
A great knock today, but outside it Dhoni had a very forgettable tourney.
Fairly certain you haven't watched the last three years of Indian ODI cricket really and its obvious you're basing your estimations on World Cups.
Fine do that, but when people rate Dhoni because of what he's done in the format, and you haven't seen it, probably best not to discard them.
Well Bevan picked up 2 WC medals without batting or bowling in either final.
TBF, there are very few batsmen as good as Bevan, so it's hardly an insult to Dhoni. I don't agree that he's not even comparable to him though, yes Bevan's WC record gives him the edge, but they are certainly comparable, just like Tendulkar and Dravid are comparable in Tests, with one being just a little better by common consensus. And people rate Bevan very high because they followed his career in entirety, not just 3-4 WC knocks, but Dhoni doesn't seem to be extended the same courtesy.
Point to me where I implied the criticisms of Dhoni were personal.
You can't. Because I never once suggested as much. And you shouldn't make ridiculous claims like that and expect not to get called out on it.
It's a **** way to discuss cricket, and you personalise the discussion.
Fine debate the merits, but don't make accusations you can't back up.
winning his first wc as captain
wow, thats some thing
LOL MAHENDRA SINGH DHONI IS KING!
India just won. im sorry everyone, india JUST WON>
But nothing silly was said. He had a poor WC record, and still has a very ordinary one. Where does pointing out facts suddenly become a silly comment? I am not making this personal but just calling you on trying to make this one innings as a justification of your disagreement with Dhoni's non-performance in WCs.
Maybe you will understand this in time, as your country has just won the WC, that this kind of achievement made is a truly special one. It is so different to CT trophies or the glorified exhibition matches which are played year round. Maybe Dhoni will go on and have an awesome WC next time and become the highest run scorer, and you win another WC. Then maybe in the future a new player comes along where people try to compare the two players. And then you will understand that your appreciation of Dhoni is not merely in the ordinary matches but in the pressure-cooker, emotionally charged, games which represent the pinnacle of this format.
Then you will appreciate why someone like me expects much more from batsmen trying to compare to someone like Bevan as you will expect much more from batsmen who may want to compare to Dhoni.
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I am happy for you to say Bevan is better than Dhoni. I am even happy for you to say Dhoni isn't even in Bevan's ball park.
But if I even slightly disagree and call such a statement silly, you're saying I am accusing you of being a Dhoni hater, or making Dhoni hater comments, even when I explicitly say "there are no Dhoni haters"
Awful Ikki. I don't believe there are any "Dhoni haters" and expressly said as much. I just said there were a few silly posts. If you don't think they're silly, fine. But don't try and paint me as someone with an agenda flying the Dhoni flag who is accusing any one who doesn't rate Dhoni highly as a hater.
Firstly, it is insulting. Secondly, it is absolutely inaccurate and an easy way for you to try and diminish anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint. It's a sneaky way to debate, and I don't like it.
It may be bold to say, but I daresay both Dhoni and Gambhir will see a further evolution - or maturity - to their game. It may sound a little out there, but IMO the man that has climbed the mountain, so to speak, has a different glint in his eye when looking at the mountain once conquered.
IMO, it is what made the Australian team of the past so great. They were champions, knew what they had to do and expected it of themselves to rise to the occasion.
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I also think Gambhir's innings today was greatly helped by the fact he batted well in the T20 World Cup final vs. Pakistan, which would have had great pressure attached to it.
Do you protest the arguments against Hussey being compared to Bevan in ODIs? Because those weren't from World Cups, but non-WC matches.
How much of Bevan are you actually placing on WC matches? Many of his famous innings were played at home in Australia. Others in India in random tri-series.
If I am wrong in what you were trying to suggest, then I can accept that. But the difference between you saying someone might have a personal agenda against Dhoni (which you say you didn't imply) and you saying people said stupid/ill-informed/in the heat-of-the moment things (which you said is what you actually meant) means little to me. Because my contention is that it is perfectly viable to hold Dhoni's non-performance against him so the difference is meaningless. However, you wish to define "silly" I disagree with it.
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