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    True that vcs.

    In Imran's case,some of the players were there prior to his appointment in the team.I think he was first appointed as captain in 1981 or 1982 for the England tour if im not wrong.And the team had the likes of Mudassar Nazar,Zaheer Abbas etc,who were already established members of the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Do people have some sort of personal vendetta against Bevan or something? The idea that someone could argue that he's half the player Viv was is pretty astonishing to me given that Bevan was almost unquestionably the best finisher the game has ever seen and played some jaw-dropping innings under pressure.

    I can certainly accept people saying Viv is better, even by a fair margin, and personally I think it's almost impossible to compare the two, but Bevan would be an absolute walkover into an all-time ODI XI which surely means the gap can't be that huge.
    Why would I have a personal vendetta against Bevan ?

    Having watched VIV, Sachin and Bevan for most of their careers it is fairly easy to say that I would pick VIV ahead of any batsman ever (in ODIs) in any situation. Bevan was a great ODI batsman but could he be the man for every situation ? Could he open the innings, could he come in the power play and score at will, could he take on the world's best bowlers at their best ?

    The answer to all of the above is :- NO. Bevan had a job in the Aussie team, he did it very well and that is why he is considered an all time ODI great. But that alone is not enough to put him on the same level as VIV, at least not for me.

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    Hmmm... I think Bevan had a very good top-order record on the few occasions he played there. He was just considered of more use as a finisher.

    And Sanz: FDO was simply arguing that the gap, whilst perhaps large, is not so large as being twice as good.
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    I don't care much for stats. Guys like Dhoni have average about 49 and SR 87 and I wouldn't put them in the same scale as Viv.


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    Personally I'd argue that Bevan could play a lot of different roles if necessary, and if you look at his career closely it wasn't all just 55* (80) type innings, he just specialised in that sort of thing. There's no question that quite a few players would be better top order ODI batsmen than Bevan, though.

    Anyway I don't really disagree with anything you said, Viv would be the first name I'd put down if I was putting together an all-time ODI XI, but Bevan would also be in that team which means talking about there being a huge gulf between them as players seems a bit over the top to me. Bevan was better than anyone else at what he did after all, and if you can argue that Bevan wasn't capable of going to the top of the order and smashing the ball around with the field up you can equally argue that other batsmen wouldn't have had the composure under pressure, the ability to find gaps and bat with tailenders and so on that Bevan did.
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    Relay Dhoni is a superstar, he is a real all time favorite caption we have........love team india

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    O and A are pretty far away on the keyboard you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salman85 View Post
    O and A are pretty far away on the keyboard you know.


    btw some praise from Ian Chappell

    "His performance ranks him with the other top-class leaders of the period: Imran Khan, Mark Taylor and Arjuna Ranatunga."
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Big praise coming from someone like Chappelli, who IMO has a gift for spotting good leaders.
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    well he's done almost everything a cap could dream of (without a mcgrath or warne or murali mind you) in such a short while.

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    Chappelli can make you respect him with some sense and opinions which make you think even if you disagree, and then in the next breath ruin it all with a pile of steaming crap that seems to have no basis in reality except the one in his head which fits in with his stereotypes of what bowling, batting and captaincy should be and what cricket is and was about. I don't know which one this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Chappelli can make you respect him with some sense and opinions which make you think even if you disagree, and then in the next breath ruin it all with a pile of steaming crap that seems to have no basis in reality except the one in his head which fits in with his stereotypes of what bowling, batting and captaincy should be and what cricket is and was about. I don't know which one this is.
    Really good description of chappell.

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    Got this Comment from My Web page

    Dhoni is a perfect YOGI.

    As Arjuna asks Lord Krishna "How do you recognize a Yogi"?

    Krishna answers "One who stays the same in happiness or misery, one who sits silently but mentally working all the time, One who is not affected by disease, pain or fire but smilingly knows that all this is temperory".
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