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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Yusuf was never an ideal specialist batsman. He shouldn't have been played as one. He's better off as a stock off-spinner who can bat lower down. He could have been used as a full-fledged all-rounder in the mould of Gayle, Pollard Afridi, Razzaq, Wright, Collingwood, Styris or Matthews. These players are doing well for their teams, but in this one, Dhoni prefers part-time rubbish over Yusuf, and hardly gives him an innings, so his performance has suffered. He's a casualty of poor planning and unhelpful leadership, more than a very mediocre player.

    He's at best an attacking number seven, and possibly the best in a long time, but that means he practically never gets to bat long enough, except when the team is in deep trouble- and he's often rescured them, nearly winning a match each time. His value as a bowler is critical- he relieves the batsmen of bowling duty, and is comparable to some of the more regular bowlers (particularly Jadeja, Praveen, Munaf, Nehra and even Harbhajan- these bowl utter tripe almost all the time and still finish ten overs) but was never given the chance. He has had more bowling innings than batting, so he could have played as a regular bowler, but Dhoni's captaincy seems to give him no room at all. Possibly India's best and most relevant all-rounder, but it seems to take a lot more to please Dhoni.

    He's not utter rubbish as some of us make him out to be during this World Cup. He's not of the same class as a Sehwag, Gambhir or Kohli, nor as good a bowler as Zaheer or Ashwin, but as someone who's got the goods to do a dual duty, he's the best you can get. With Tendulkar and Zaheer not likely to carry on after the World Cup, he's surely a lot more relevant than recent dismissals attempting sixes suggests.
    After this WC, I don't know how we could NOT think of Yuvraj as India's genuine all-rounder - at least in ODIs. This has cost Yusuf of that role for now. If Ashwin becomes a fixture in the ODI team, and certainly in subcontinental situations how could he not - there's another one decidedly superior with the ball - but good enough with the bat to be a very good #8 which reduces the need for a 'bit of this, bit of that" at #7 especially since you have a genuine all rounder in the top 6 batsmen.

    YKP is most of the things you've said about him - including being a better batsman. In most other lineups, his role wouldn't have been this much of a power hitter - and would've shone far more. SRT retiring from ODIs is not going to help YKP - there are other reasonable candidates (Pujara to do an Amla-type transformation for mine, at #3 with Gambhir to open). YKP's future hinges on Yuvraj losing his mojo with either ball or bat.

    There's room in this lineup for a seaming bits-and-pieces (to replace Munaf or potentially even Praveen, certainly as the third seamer). In the unlikely even that Irfan gets his bowling act together, IKP is better for this team and failing that, hopefully Virat Kohli can work at his bowling to at least reach Ganguly levels of ability with the ball.(Actually Ganguly was also better than usually given credit for).

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    I was one of the biggest Yuvraj detractors coming into this tournament. I was annoyed that he kept his place in the team because of his part-time fare, while failing with the bat for the past year or so. Given the complete turnaround in his form in this tournament, and his importance in the games we have won, he deserves nothing but praise. I think Arjun just doesn't want to admit he was wrong about Yuvraj, like many other Indian fans were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeevan View Post
    After this WC, I don't know how we could NOT think of Yuvraj as India's genuine all-rounder - at least in ODIs. .
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    I agree with all the Yuvi-love going around (have been part of it) but calling him a genuine all rounder might be stretching it IMO
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Warne did a much better job on Pathan than Dhoni has ever done. Maybe India needs to hire Warne as their next coach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Warne did a much better job on Pathan than Dhoni has ever done. Maybe India needs to hire Warne as their next coach.
    I don't know how you make that comparison. Using Pathan in a domestic tournament vs in an international one when you have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Yuvraj etc playing in the same side. Talk of apples to oranges comparison.

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    lol I wasn't being serious, it was just a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    lol I wasn't being serious, it was just a joke.
    Okay. I on the other hand thought you were too much into the Indo Pak thing and baiting Dhoni Fan

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    Nah, I'm quite relaxed about the whole match (smiles nervously but his hands are shaking). The best team will win on the day and you can't do anything about that. As for dhoni fan, well he hasn't met my friend India Lose, so it won't be me doing the baiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    As for dhoni fan, well he hasn't met my friend India Lose, so it won't be me doing the baiting.
    haven't blocked him yet, like to see his posts just for the lulz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    t. As for dhoni fan, well he hasn't met my friend India Lose, so it won't be me doing the baiting.
    There is another poster on the forum that is making Dhoni_fan look sophisticated and reasonable. I didn't think it was possible but yes Tendulkar_200 beats Dhoni_fan. I think both of them need to meet IndiaLose

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