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I'd have Pakistan as my favourites. I don't think anyone in this tournament is capable of matching them if they fire.
Conversely, if they don't, anyone is capable of walking over them.
do you think people will be allowed to make violins?
who's going to make the violins?
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
Yeah. I mean, we've harped on here about how underpar and **** Australia's batting was on Saturday evening but the fact was the Pakistan put probably the most or second most complete bowling and fielding performance of the tournament. They were absolutely outstanding from start to finish.
Even without KP and Broad,i think this English side is superior.The England of 1992 would not have been able to fight it out the way this team has done.
We haven't had such a motivated and focused group of players in a long long time.
Wasim and Amir 1996?No.
Wasim 1999?No.We went into the tournament in great form,without the usual controversies,so Wasim's job was not as hard as Afridi's is now.
All were superior players than Afridi,but none of them had the same impact on the team.Plus,Afridi's impact on the tournament by his own form is greater than the form of our previous captains,yes,even Imran in 1992.So Afridi does deserve a LOT of credit for transforming our team into genuine contenders for the title.Imran the captain in 1992,and Afridi the captain in 2011 are not miles apart.
Top posts Salman, and I agree with most of what you have said. However I don't think that mentally (batting wise) this team is not as strong as the 92 one.
Our batsmen have been very nervous and edgy throughout their innings. Plus we all know that Afridi gets under pressure and so just tries to hit out of the ground. If only he set himself in like the T20 we won and then go berserk, he would perform better.
Also Afridi is too defensive unlike Imran. He isn't willing to take a risk by introducing Ajmal or playing Umar up the order etc, whereas I'm sure Imran would have taken more risks and would have always gone for the kill. In the match against the Aussies I feel we could have restricted them to an even lower total if Afridi had been more aggressive (Pak stepped off the gas just for a little while).
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The game in Imran's time was differnet.I want to see Ajmal play instead of Rehman too,but we have to accept that our batting is fragile.Like i said,there isn't a lot of differnece in this middle order and the 1992 middle order,but because the openers did so well back then,it didn't expose the middle order as often as it is being exposed now.That itself brings up a strong case for Rehman to be included in the team as he can bat too.I think because the pitches are flatter in the SC as compared to Australia,going full throttle against a batting lineup can backfire pretty badly if you start going for runs.Rehman is in there to give the defensive measure along with Hafeez.
Yeah i'd like to see Umar bat up the order too.But Asad has pretty much sealed his place with very solid performances,so why fix when it's not broken?.Had Hafeez not been a handy bowler,then maybe Umar could have been slotted in to open the innings,or maybe move Asad as an opener and make Umar play at no.3 The whole 'A Batsman who can bowl decently' mindset is very common these days,which vindicates Afridi's team selections.
Why does Imran deserve extra credit for taking them from the brink of elimination to the cup, when he took them to the brink of elimination in the first place?
Afridi's shot selection
The man has played this way for his entire career.It's the only way he knows.He will continue to play this way.When it comes off,people will say it was a great shot,when it doesn't,it looks ugly,and it has looked ugly for the majority of his career.But like i said,that's Afridi.He'll always bat like that.That's the Afridi we love and that's the Afridi we hate.
Afridi has been incharge for less than 3 years.Imran was incharge for almost 10 years.It's not even an argument about who was the better captain.It was Imran through and through.But Afridi's captaincy in 2011 is as good as,if not better than Imran's captaincy in the 1992 tournament.
Imran might not have played the shot Afridi did,because that wasn't his style.This is Afridi's style.Afridi is definitely not the height of irresponsibility.He takes responsibility,backs himself to take wickets,is always backing the team on the field,and has a positive energy about him that a Pakistani captain hasn't had in a long time.Don't judge him on his batting alone.Ofcourse Afridi won't nurture other players,because he won't be captain for too long.He'll probably give the job up after the tournament.Imran was captain for a long enough time to nurture great players.Afridi hasn't been a captain long enough to do that,nor do i think he has the same father figure type personality that Imran did.Imran was the oldest guy in the team,so the whole father figure thing came naturally to him.
Afridi isn't the oldest player in the team,nor does he have the same father figure effect.What Afridi does have however,is the charisma to inspire and encourage,and he has done that.To pick up a team that was down in the dumps a few months before the WC and make them genuine contenders for the title alone makes him a fantastic captain,and on part with Imran's captaincy in 1992.
And pal this is no excuse "The man has played this way for his entire career.It's the only way he knows". Imran was a very carefree kind of cricketer, quite flamboyant before he became captain. Tells you a lot about the responsibility that he as willing to shoulder. Can't say the same Afridi. I like the guy, I really do but comparing him with Imran is a bit over the top IMO. Heck even Wasim before the match fixing scandal was a better captain than Afridi is. Though I must say that Wasim used the same style of leadership as Imran.
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