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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    Massive Windies fail.
    Indeed. Blew it big time. Why Roach wasn't brought back to finish the job with England 6 down or why they didn't play Chanderpaul or just relax when batting is beyond me. They went about the chase like England had scored 400 or something, just crazed, reckless and stupid batting. Once Gayle went, the writing was on the cards, you can't expect Pollard and Thomas to get you over the line. On Thomas, he seems to be even worse with the bat than Ramdin which is saying something.

    Thought England would win but they had no right to given the score they got and the start the Windies got. Still a decent chance of getting to a semi final if they can avoid either Aus or Sri Lanka. They are pretty ****house but they have character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian87 View Post
    Pretty obvious that they need to drop Sammy tbh.
    He needs to go after the WC. Can only bowl out against the minnows, not a strike bowler, doesn’t keep a lid on things either and yesterdays slog was the first time he has come off with the bat in ages. Limited cricketer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got_Spin View Post
    It's weird because Russell appears to bowl a lot quicker than the 130km/h suggests

    The lack of batting depth really reared its ugly head for the Windies, even despite shock knocks from Sammy and Russell. Was one of those perfect situations for Shiv to knock the ball around. While Bishoo isn't a polished spinner yet, I'd consider dropping Benn for their game against India.
    Yeah, I would go with that also. Benn is another minnow legend. The Windies have a lot of them in their side. India will dominate them.

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    There is no use plating a spinner who bowls wrist spin against India. Play Benn, I'd say, and drop Bishoo for Chanders. Roach, Russel, Sammy, Benn, Pollard and Gayle should be enough for 50 overs. Since there will be a good dose of spin bowling Chanders should play in the top order.

    Like the Sammy experiment of a floating hitter. Can be used against part time spinners of India.

    Smith, Gayle, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Pollard, Sammy, Thomas, Russell, Roach, Benn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    There is no use plating a spinner who bowls wrist spin against India. Play Benn, I'd say, and drop Bishoo for Chanders. Roach, Russel, Sammy, Benn, Pollard and Gayle should be enough for 50 overs. Since there will be a good dose of spin bowling Chanders should play in the top order.

    Like the Sammy experiment of a floating hitter. Can be used against part time spinners of India.

    Smith, Gayle, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Pollard, Sammy, Thomas, Russell, Roach, Benn
    I don't think Gayle is able to bowl at the moment
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    First off, I thought this was an excellent cricket match. I know both sides played a flawed game, but there were moments of brilliance from both teams at some point or the other. Personally, I enjoyed the game because it was more than just about players smacking it around the park or the talents of the respective players but there was some real tactical warfare out there that was great to watch. Credit also for the pitch, which has provided 2 great games with something in it for the batsmen and the slower bowlers.

    Kudos to both sides for getting the extra spinner in there as well. Both Tredwell and Bishoo maybe average spinners and are more likely to get spanked around on the flatter surfaces, but they were a vital part of the side yesterday on that pitch. Sammy being sent to bat at 3 was a real masterstroke, IMO, its a pity that it didnt pay off, but I think had WI had Chanderpaul in there they would have won that game. They were short one quality batsman and Darren Bravo is categorically not one, and that was really what cost them the game.

    On England, they didnt bat brilliantly, but their fielding, bar Bopara was outstanding. The Tremlett and Strauss catches were absolutely brilliant, Not sure how either of them manage to get low enough to take them but either way they deserve a mention. Also, as much as I dont rate Prior or Bell, I have to say that Prior's keeping has been brilliant and Bell's fielding at short leg really has been a stand out in the last few games.
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    Prior's keeping in this game you mean. He's fluffed a few stumpings before this match IIRC
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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy View Post
    Thought England would win but they had no right to given the score they got and the start the Windies got. Still a decent chance of getting to a semi final if they can avoid either Aus or Sri Lanka. They are pretty ****house but they have character.
    I'm going to go the other way on this one. Id rather they play Australia or SL. Less so SL, who have the tools to beat any team this world cup, but certainly I'd prefer Australia over NZ or Pakistan. Think you know what you are going to get from those teams and if they plan well enough I would not be surprised if they beat them.

    NZ and Pakistan are different kettle of fish. NZ have pretty much dominated us in almost every limited overs game and especially in world cup games in recent memory. I can see Ross Taylor making merry against us. Pakistan on the other hand are Pakistan and it really just depends on which side shows up, though IMO in a knockout situation, the cornered tigers are pretty much the most dangerous side out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    I always think all the Wright-bashing goes too far. I know he's no superstar, but I just have this feeling that he's been good for us in a crisis quite a few times. I'm sure that's what he's doing in the squad.
    Yeah agreed. He certainly has a more than decent technique and certainly not a bad finisher given his Strike Rate. Obviously hes not brilliant, but if he bats where he should bat he is a handy player to have and a more than decent fielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Just watching the highlights of our innings on Sky. Man, Trotters started well, didn't he? Was fed some tripe, but the way he dispatched it was very impressive.

    Beggars belief he wasn't given more of a go earlier.
    Seems to attract a lot of criticism for no real reason. Its all fine and good to say that he often doesnt score at a run a ball or close to it, but the bottom line is that he scores runs consistently which is more than what you can say for anyone else in the side bar Morgan. However, his batting against spin is dodgy to say the least and I do think that sides with a decent spinner will always fancy keeping him pegged down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian87 View Post
    Pretty obvious that they need to drop Sammy tbh.
    No, they need to drop Smith. The guy adds no value to the side whatsoever, and never really has. Think if they played a batting card that looked something like this:

    Gayle
    Chanderpaul
    Sammy (floating)
    Bravo
    Sarwan
    Pollard
    Russell (floating)
    Thomas
    Roach
    Benn
    Bishoo

    They need as many bowling options as they can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    No, they need to drop Smith. The guy adds no value to the side whatsoever, and never really has. Think if they played a batting card that looked something like this:

    Gayle
    Chanderpaul
    Sammy (floating)
    Bravo
    Sarwan
    Pollard
    Russell (floating)
    Thomas
    Roach
    Benn
    Bishoo

    They need as many bowling options as they can get.
    Sarwan really needs to start taking some responsibility and bat at three instead of letting a 22 year old do it. Otherwise I like that side. Ideally there'd be a better bowler to replace Benn with though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    I think that's the best call, myself. Woakes's pace (or lack thereof) and trajectory could be ideal on the kind of pitches we've seen so far.

    No slouch with the willow either & has a level head, as the first T20 in Oz proved.
    Woakes would probably be the best call, though I would be surprised if he got a game. I suspect Anderson will return to replace Tremlett for the next game, assuming there is a next game, they arent going to risk playing a guy who just got off the plane for a knock out game.

    On a slightly different topic, Bopara has to be one of the more underrated bowlers in the England lineup. He's looked the money with the ball almost every time I've watched him bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got_Spin View Post
    Sarwan really needs to start taking some responsibility and bat at three instead of letting a 22 year old do it. Otherwise I like that side. Ideally there'd be a better bowler to replace Benn with though.
    The reason I put Sarwan at 5 is because their middle order is a little brittle. Sarwan would do perfectly fine at 3, but I suspect that if the top 3 go early, the rest would fall like nine pins. I think even Otis knows that. The only way Id bat Sarwan at 3 is if Chanderpaul was in the middle order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    The reason I put Sarwan at 5 is because their middle order is a little brittle. Sarwan would do perfectly fine at 3, but I suspect that if the top 3 go early, the rest would fall like nine pins. I think even Otis knows that. The only way Id bat Sarwan at 3 is if Chanderpaul was in the middle order.
    Good point actually. It'd be a lot easier if Barath wasn't injured either. Chanderpaul and Sarwan would really strengthen what is otherwise a fairly loose middle order

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