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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Duminy's shots under pressure have been truly horrifying but... MCG?
    He wasn't really under pressure in Melbourne though, in the sense the match situation was so ridiculously dire that it was almost Botham-Dilley-esque.

    Not to that extreme, of course, but not dissimilar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    Well to be fair to South Africa they have:
    a) won the Champions Trophy which is a global tournament
    b) been the first team to win a test series in India in more than a decade.
    c) pulled of the greatest ODI chase of all time
    d) been the first team win a test series in Australia in more than a decade after pulling off a sensational chase

    So it's not as if they have never done great things under pressure. But yeah their World Cup record in knockout games is astonishingly bad and until they win a world cup they will never erase the choker tag. Fortunately for them, they also get a TT world cup every other year and winning one of them would go a long way to erase the choker tag too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jot1 View Post
    At least we're unique. Other teams lose because they play bad cricket. We don't.
    A bit of a puzzling statement.

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    Strangely forgotten tour that. Should have been one for ages in terms of a high-water mark, but bizarrely never talked about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Strangely forgotten tour that. Should have been one for ages in terms of a high-water mark, but bizarrely never talked about.
    ICC plot, tbh.

    Nah, seriously in retrospect was it the highwater mark of the great Australian teams? Continued to be great for another couple of years afterwards, but were maybe on the downhill slope slightly.

    Gradient has increased exponentially last coupla years, obvz.
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    Um you are aware that South Africa beat India in India in 2000 : 2-0 right? Talk about a forgotten series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    ICC plot, tbh.

    Nah, seriously in retrospect was it the highwater mark of the great Australian teams? Continued to be great for another couple of years afterwards, but were maybe on the downhill slope slightly.

    Gradient has increased exponentially last coupla years, obvz.
    I'd say it was one of two, 5-0 being the obvious other. It was the one thing the other great Australian sides couldn't do.

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    lol, Candy.. but RSA whitewashed us in 99-2000, under Hansie Cronje, slamming the final nail into Sachin's captaincy coffin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    lol, Candy.. but RSA whitewashed us in 99-2000, under Hansie Cronje, slamming the final nail into Sachin's captaincy coffin.
    Ha, whoops. Only a two Test series though so am claiming it doesn't count

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    lol, Candy.. but RSA whitewashed us in 99-2000, under Hansie Cronje, slamming the final nail into Sachin's captaincy coffin.
    Forgotten with Cronje I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    A bit of a puzzling statement.

    As if we never play bad cricket to lose? We always play brilliant cricket. We only lose by choking. Which demeans the other teams brilliant effort when they beat us because saying we choked means we lost it they didn't win it by playing better cricket. Which is crap. NZ bowled better and batted better than us and won the match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jot1 View Post
    As if we never play bad cricket to lose? We always play brilliant cricket. We only lose by choking. Which demeans the other teams brilliant effort when they beat us because saying we choked means we lost it they didn't win it by playing better cricket. Which is crap. NZ bowled better and batted better than us and won the match.
    Choking doesn't mean you never play bad cricket.. It juz means you ALWAYS play bad cricket when the pressure is on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    Choking doesn't mean you never play bad cricket.. It juz means you ALWAYS play bad cricket when the pressure is on..

    Always when the pressure is on? I'm not even going to go there. I'm just going to think about India and SA just recently, and Australia and SA 5 years ago, and some other matches inbetween. I do know what you mean, though. We do tend to play bad cricket when the pressure is on, but most of the other teams do too. I just don't believe we do it more than other teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jot1 View Post
    Always when the pressure is on? I'm not even going to go there. I'm just going to think about India and SA just recently, and Australia and SA 5 years ago, and some other matches inbetween. I do know what you mean, though. We do tend to play bad cricket when the pressure is on, but most of the other teams do too. I just don't believe we do it more than other teams.
    lol.. I don't subscribe entirely to that thought either. I juz meant that is what these guys generally mean by the C word. And quite honestly, I do think RSA are more prone to letting the situation get the better of their nerves than the other teams...

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    A good chronology of SA chokes: Memorable South African defeats: Struggling for breath ...

    Can add the 1st and 3rd T20 world cup too.

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