View Poll Results: Who will win this match?

Voters
17. You may not vote on this poll
  • India

    10 58.82%
  • South Africa

    7 41.18%
Page 54 of 55 FirstFirst ... 44452535455 LastLast
Results 796 to 810 of 820

Thread: *Official* Match 29 - India v South Africa

  1. #796
    Cricketer Of The Year Turbinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,558
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze 18 View Post
    I am a little tired of the "haven't beaten a non-minnow" line myself. I've seen that put forward on pakpassion about a million times now. Aside from Australia, every team has lost at least a match - India have only lost one, a close one against a quality side at that (yes, that is hard to believe!). Instead of being pessimistic and bashing/criticizing our side, we should be supporting it. Yes, we have some problems; okay, Dhoni made a tactical blunder (I'd still say that's arguable but screw it for now) - so what? From an Indian point of view, it's good that there a few areas we can improve in. I'd have been a lot more uncomfortable going into the knockout stages if we had won each and every match by two hundred runs or ten wickets.
    This! This so much. Everyone knew it was going to be a close game against South Africa, and one that a lot of people were expecting us to lose. What's more is that a batting collapse like 29/9 doesn't happen every time. It's as rare as seeing an elephant hump a rabbit. Our batting is strong, let's not forget this. As for our bowling and fielding, I certainly saw an improved effort last game. It's very promising to see Sachin, Sehwag, and Gambhir bat the way they did. With those kind of starts, you will win the game 99 percent of the time.

  2. #797
    Global Moderator Teja.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    z
    Posts
    6,363
    Yeah, obv. losing 9 wickets for 29 is just a freak incident which only happens 1% of the time. Our batting is strong anyway, let's just put it under the carpet. Let's not criticize our divine middle order either.

    Problem is you're only focusing about the starts, Yes, With a start of 260 runs, You usually win the game. However, With a fail of 29/9-proportions, You usually lose too. It's incredibly one-eyed to think of only the start and attributing the lolapse to a freak occurrence which doesn't happen ever. (A smaller version happened against England ftr) It's disrespectful to the bowling attack who did it too. If our 4-11 were **** against the two good teams they have played in the WC, It's an area of genuine concern .
    Isnít it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? Ė Douglas Adams



    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    The reason people don't cheer for India is nothing to do with them being number one

    It's because Teja is a ****, FTR

  3. #798
    Cricketer Of The Year Turbinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,558
    That obviously wasn't what I was trying to imply there. But what I am saying is that, if you think two games is enough to pass judgement on our middle order and consider it to be a genuine area of concern, then so be it. But I refuse to forget the good results shown by our batting order in games prior to the WC (over a longer period of time) and label it as such so early on in the tournament. There is no doubt in my mind that it will come good, and we will see if I am right or wrong in the coming weeks. But no where in my post did I imply that our middle order is divine.

    The way Yuvraj had played in the last 3 games, the way Pathan and Kohli batted in South Africa, they are bound to fail at some point or another. Of course the reverse also applies for our top order. Such is the nature of sport, at the end of the day we can only speculate and predict.
    Last edited by Turbinator; 13-03-2011 at 02:28 PM.

  4. #799
    Hall of Fame Member Sanz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    16,230
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze 18 View Post
    I am a little tired of the "haven't beaten a non-minnow" line myself. I've seen that put forward on pakpassion about a million times now. Aside from Australia, every team has lost at least a match - India have only lost one, a close one against a quality side at that (yes, that is hard to believe!). Instead of being pessimistic and bashing/criticizing our side, we should be supporting it. Yes, we have some problems; okay, Dhoni made a tactical blunder (I'd still say that's arguable but screw it for now) - so what? From an Indian point of view, it's good that there a few areas we can improve in. I'd have been a lot more uncomfortable going into the knockout stages if we had won each and every match by two hundred runs or ten wickets.
    But India is not like every other side though. We are supposed to be among the strongest contenders. India have lost only one and tied one when they should have won both. India have not played like a team.

    So, despite that if the Indian Fans are going to continue to make Grand Predictions about India's chances against other team, then people are going to remind us that we have not done anything noticeable yet to deserve that prediction.

    Before the tournament, India were among my favorites to win the tournament, based on how we have performed on last 5 games, they clearly are not. If I rank my teams about their chances to win based on how we have performed so far, Here is it :-


    Australia,
    SA,
    SL,
    Pakistan,
    NZ
    WI
    India
    England
    Bangladesh.


  5. #800
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    India
    Posts
    4,456
    Yeah Sanz, we should have won those matches but lost. It happens sometimes, that's sport for you. Look, I am not saying we have performed brilliantly so far. I admit there is room for improvement in several areas. What I am saying is that one loss doesn't warrant this much criticism (I include the media in that). No-one knows how long India are going to last in this World Cup. It could be all over on March 25 - ten days from now. We can do all the bashing we want then. Let's support and back our team while we're still in this. That's all I am saying.
    Last edited by Blaze 18; 13-03-2011 at 03:22 PM.

  6. #801
    Hall of Fame Member Sanz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    16,230
    Well, when you are going to make Grand statements as a fan about the chances of your team and annoy the hell out of others, Don't get annoyed at the backlash you receive from people when your team did not back your grand statements.

    I am not terribly dissappointed at how Indian team has played, but we do not have the body of work so far in the tournament to make anymore claims about superiority over any of the QF bound teams.

  7. #802
    International Debutant Cruxdude's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    2,448
    Some of feel better that we have lost a game. Do not think we are a team that is going to win the WC without losing a single game. Better to lose in the group stages and now we have the law of averages off our back.

    I actually felt Gambhir kind of killed the momentum we had, but considering the collapse he did fine. Batting power play does not mean people just go out and slog. That was really disappointing. And three seamers is not the way to go when 2 of them are not PK and Zaheer. It is time to try Ashwin and give him a chance to fail.

  8. #803
    Cricketer Of The Year Turbinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,558
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    But India is not like every other side though. We are supposed to be among the strongest contenders. India have lost only one and tied one when they should have won both. India have not played like a team.

    So, despite that if the Indian Fans are going to continue to make Grand Predictions about India's chances against other team, then people are going to remind us that we have not done anything noticeable yet to deserve that prediction.

    Before the tournament, India were among my favorites to win the tournament, based on how we have performed on last 5 games, they clearly are not. If I rank my teams about their chances to win based on how we have performed so far, Here is it :-


    Australia,
    SA,
    SL,
    Pakistan,
    NZ
    WI
    India
    England
    Bangladesh.
    You're right Sanz, we should just give the WC to Australia. Why even bother playing rest of the games? There is a reason it isn't handed out halfway through the tournament. And who says a prediction can only be made with the last couple of games in mind? There are elements such as belief, passion, and instincts involved.

    By your logic, the "underdog" should never be predicted in favour of. With that said, I still think India are favourites considering the other factors I stated in response to one of your posts before (home advantage, recent home record, expectation to peak at the right time, etc). Anyway, this is exactly the reason why I wasn't planning on responding to the pessimism shown by some, we'll just wait and see what happens in the next couple of weeks. For now I'll leave you with a last note in mind, one you are perhaps familiar with -

    Last edited by Turbinator; 13-03-2011 at 04:08 PM.

  9. #804
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend smalishah84's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    IL
    Posts
    21,764
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    You're right Sanz, we should just give the WC to Australia. Why even bother playing rest of the games? There is a reason it isn't handed out halfway through the tournament. And who says a prediction can only be made with the last couple of games in mind? There are elements such as belief, passion, and instincts involved.
    lol......Turbi, by your logic India should have won all test matches, tournaments and ODI series that they every played in

    Btw I do agree that not being able to win against two major teams is worrisome but it has to be taken into account that the margin of loss was very small. One or two things India's way and the match would have been India's. So it really is not the end of the world.

    And yes India have certainly performed below expectations. Even I expected them to win against SA easily especially after their performance in SA. Home conditions should have helped them immensely. Maybe a little too much hype was created around India's batting and not too much attention paid to the fielding and bowling. Indian fielding has barely been better than Pak fielding and at that too if I include Khatmal (which is a damning indictment). Injury for Praveen doesn't help India but then they should play to their strengths and being in good spinners just as Australia are playing to their strengths and bringing 4 seamers to the SC.
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

    Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

  10. #805
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Sheffield
    Posts
    56
    India really aren't as strong as they have been made out to be by not just fans, but experts as well. Yes, they are ONE of the teams that are in the mix to be in the final. But the other teams in that mix are:
    Aus
    Sri Lanka
    South Africa
    Pakistan

    I would have India grouped equally or below these teams. Certainly not above. India's bowling attack, all things considering, is worse than these 4 teams, by a long margin.

    Additionally,
    The way NZ played against Pakistan, one can't rule them out either. If they can play that well in one match, they can definately win 2 big matches when it counts and make it to the final.

    The West Indies are also capable of playing 2 good games, and seem to be playing well going into the next stage, and England may surprise in the knockout stages. Underestimate them at your perill

    So, while Indian fans aren't wrong in feeling they are in the mix, i think the favourites tag, considering their bowling, is just wrong.

    If they make the same mistakes as they did with their batting against Eng and South Africa, they will not make it to the final. If they finish the innings off with any sort of purpose, they have a very good chance of beating any team in the comp.

  11. #806
    Hall of Fame Member TT Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    .
    Posts
    16,568
    Remarkable to believe that was Dale Steyn's first 5 wicket haul in ODIs and it only took him 6 years and 52 ODIs to accomplish that. Bowling average is now the right side of 30 and the ER is slower becoming more acceptable.

  12. #807
    Cricketer Of The Year Turbinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,558
    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy View Post
    Remarkable to believe that was Dale Steyn's first 5 wicket haul in ODIs and it only took him 6 years and 52 ODIs to accomplish that. Bowling average is now the right side of 30 and the ER is slower becoming more acceptable.
    He should retire from Tests to lengthen and focus on his ODI career

  13. #808
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend smalishah84's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    IL
    Posts
    21,764
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    He should retire from Tests to lengthen and focus on his ODI career

  14. #809
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    India
    Posts
    4,456
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    He should retire from international cricket to lengthen and focus on his IPL career
    Fixed.

  15. #810
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Furball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Anyone But England
    Posts
    20,216
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    That obviously wasn't what I was trying to imply there. But what I am saying is that, if you think two games is enough to pass judgement on our middle order and consider it to be a genuine area of concern, then so be it. But I refuse to forget the good results shown by our batting order in games prior to the WC (over a longer period of time) and label it as such so early on in the tournament. There is no doubt in my mind that it will come good, and we will see if I am right or wrong in the coming weeks. But no where in my post did I imply that our middle order is divine.

    The way Yuvraj had played in the last 3 games, the way Pathan and Kohli batted in South Africa, they are bound to fail at some point or another. Of course the reverse also applies for our top order. Such is the nature of sport, at the end of the day we can only speculate and predict.
    That's the beauty of World Cups though. How well you've played in the lead up to the tournament doesn't matter, it's how you're playing here and now that matters.

    When your entire lower middle order has imploded spectacularly twice and your bowling has twice made pathetic attempts at defending big totals then you have a serious problem.

Page 54 of 55 FirstFirst ... 44452535455 LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. 'World Cup 2011' Draft
    By kingkallis in forum World Cup 2011
    Replies: 1206
    Last Post: 04-04-2011, 11:23 AM
  2. Cruel jokes on Kamran Akmal
    By Gooch20 in forum World Cup 2011
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 16-03-2011, 05:46 AM
  3. Season 3 Ground Conditions & Draws
    By Simon in forum World Club Cricket
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 27-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •