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    That's fair enough but it seems that most days have only had one
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    That's fair enough but it seems that most days have only had one
    The tv networks probably offered more money to have it turn out that way. On a weekday the early timeslot is a terrible viewing time for European viewers, and it's not great for Australian viewers either. On a weekend that changes, so they're probably reluctant to schedule too many early games for weekdays.
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    Weekdays are just crap for Europeans full-stop, literally the whole game falls in working hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    1999 and 2003 formats were best!
    The formats with the "Points Carried Forward" from the Group stages, were, quite frankly, ****ing ludicrous. The whole basis of that system is the assumption that if you beat a particular team in the group stage then it can be assumed that you would also beat that same team in the Super stages, so let's not bother playing that game and just give you the points now.
    So a win in the Group stage actually counted as two wins (one win in the Group stage and one in the Super stage) if the team you beat also made the Super stage. Nuts.


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    No, it still counted as one win, it just removed an extra load of games which would've made the concept of the better sides all facing all (which has been pretty much unanimously agreed as the bast format on here) too unwieldy to carry out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    No, it still counted as one win, it just removed an extra load of games which would've made the concept of the better sides all facing all (which has been pretty much unanimously agreed as the bast format on here) too unwieldy to carry out.
    No, it counted as two wins. You got 2 points for it in the group stage and 2 points for it in the Super stage. That's 4 points, 2 wins worth of points.

    If it only counted as one win, how did it remove an extra load of games? The way it removed those games is by counting one game twice instead of playing two games!!
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    I make two changes to the 2011 format. I play two games every day to compact it a bit more and the top team from each pool automatically advances to the semi final with the next two highest from each pool playing in semi final qualifiers. It only cuts off two games in the tournament and doesn't make it so drawn out and makes the pool games more worthwhile. Currently the top eight is ovbious with the Windies winning key games and England beating the Saffers plus Bangles beating Ireland. So all the games are meaningless til the lottery stages. The No.1 teams for each pool deserve an automatic place in the semi finals. Otherwise best format since 1999 and before that 1992.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laksh_01 View Post
    If its 10 Nations Cricket World Cup: (GROUPS > SEMIS > FINAL = 15 Days)

    Group A:
    Australia
    Sri Lanka
    England
    WCQs 2
    WCQs 3

    Group B:
    India
    South Africa
    Pakistan
    WCQs 1
    WCQs 4

    WCQs: (LEAGUE) (ODI STATUS)
    1) New Zealand
    2) W.Indies
    3) B.Desh
    4) I.Land
    5) Div 1 W
    6) Div 1 R.Up

    Div 1: (ODI STATUS)
    1) Zimbabwe
    2) The Netherlands
    3) Afghanistan
    4) Canada
    5) Div 2 W
    6) Div 2 R.Up

    Div 2:
    1) Kenya
    2) UAE
    3) Namibia
    4) Uganda
    5) Div 3 W
    6) Div 3 R.up

    So on....
    Why would NZ be in your WCQ League? They were ranked 5th ahead of England, Sri Lanka, and the West Indies when the groups for this WC were decided. And with the need for a qualifying tournament then rankings would need to be decided earlier, so NZ could have even been in the top 3. Please check facts.

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    My fav format:

    4 groups - 3 teams in each group, then instead of the Super 6/8s, the knock out stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    The formats with the "Points Carried Forward" from the Group stages, were, quite frankly, ****ing ludicrous. The whole basis of that system is the assumption that if you beat a particular team in the group stage then it can be assumed that you would also beat that same team in the Super stages, so let's not bother playing that game and just give you the points now.
    So a win in the Group stage actually counted as two wins (one win in the Group stage and one in the Super stage) if the team you beat also made the Super stage. Nuts.
    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    No, it still counted as one win, it just removed an extra load of games which would've made the concept of the better sides all facing all (which has been pretty much unanimously agreed as the bast format on here) too unwieldy to carry out.
    The problem I had with the carry over points was that the teams carried over only the points earned against the teams that made it to next stage. That certainly was ridiculous. In 99 for example, ZIM finished 3rd in its group, but because the two teams it beat - SA and Ind - it was ranked 1st or 2nd at the start of super six stage. So while ZIM could have made it to the semis with just one more win, India needed to win all 3! Complete nonsense. If there has to be carry over of points, all points against all oppositions should be carried over.

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    Well I thought it gave an edge to group games. Take Eng V NZ in 07. We realistically knew both teams were going to progress but that game still had plenty riding on it because of the prospect of the points bearing fruit in the Super 8s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    I didn't actually mind the 07 format, but they needed more games each day. Would also do away with semis with that format, get the best two teams in the final
    Nah, IMO we need as many knockout games as possible. Every game should have a lot riding on it. You don't want the finals decided with several games still to play. What exactly would the other teams be playing for at that point?

    Invite as many teams as possible, get the group stage over fast, and move on to the exciting phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Nah, IMO we need as many knockout games as possible. Every game should have a lot riding on it. You don't want the finals decided with several games still to play. What exactly would the other teams be playing for at that point?

    Invite as many teams as possible, get the group stage over fast, and move on to the exciting phase.
    I can see both sides of the argument.

    From what I remember, most people were salivating over the 2007 WC format prior to the tournament. It was like 92 - all the top teams playing each other. Then India and Pakistan both screwed up and there were a lot of one-sided games in the Super 8s.

    Would the top 2 be decided with loads of game to spare? Possibly, but then again you could go into the final weekend of the Super 8s, with four games being played and heaps of permutations where any couple of teams could make it through.

    At the same time, knockouts ARE what tournaments are all about and they are exciting. I think cricket needs to find a balance, because a WC with a group stage of three games then quarters seems a bit too short, really. When we live in an age of 7-match ODI series, 6 games to win a WC seems like too few.

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    Yes, those universally loved 7 match ODI series .

    But yes, six games may seem too little but IMO more is not always better.

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