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    How is it unfair to the associate teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Maybe the fact that they haven't achieved much is because they haven't been supported by the ICC enough? Associates are turning this competition into a farce? Associates were the reason a major team got knocked out last world cup and they are the reason why the entire format had to change this year. For all you know, if it was still the old format, England would have been out by now.

    Personally I've loved every damn game this WC has offered, I love the long format. Come home everyday from school and get to see an exciting game between two top teams, or learn more about a minnow side and their players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salman85 View Post
    How is it unfair to the associate teams?
    its not unfair to the associate teams, this current format is designed to protect test teams from an early exit, or an associate making it pass the first round.

    FIFA's next world cup is going to protect brazil, germany and Italy, and they will get automactic entry up to the semi's ... because in the most recent world cup current champions Italy were kicked out first round and FIFA doesnt want that repeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slugger View Post
    its not unfair to the associate teams, this current format is designed to protect test teams from an early exit, or an associate making it pass the first round.

    FIFA's next world cup is going to protect brazil, germany and Italy, and they will get automactic entry up to the semi's ... because in the most recent world cup current champions Italy were kicked out first round and FIFA doesnt want that repeated.
    Good, they need protecting. Otherwise we'll have teams like Spain winning it


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    Quote Originally Posted by slugger View Post
    its not unfair to the associate teams, this current format is designed to protect test teams from an early exit, or an associate making it pass the first round.

    FIFA's next world cup is going to protect brazil, germany and Italy, and they will get automactic entry up to the semi's ... because in the most recent world cup current champions Italy were kicked out first round and FIFA doesnt want that repeated.
    It's not unfair to any team.It's not like the non-minnows are getting more points for winning a match than the minnows.Every team starts at an equal footing,and the top four from either group go through,be it minnows or non-minnows.Just because a minnow causes two upsets,and loses the other six,does not make it more worthy of a spot in the knockout stage over a team that has won more matches,be it a minnow or non-minnow.

    I get the minnow sympathy here,that they have done well but the format does not suit them etc.But the format does not suit them because they are not good enough.Simple.If they were,they would be in the top four of their group.If anything,having two groups of 7 each gives more chance to every team to settle down,and a more fair system of which are the best teams in a group and in what order.

    Having a system with more groups and lower teams in each group is only an excuse to make an upset caused by a minnow appear larger than it actually is.It's a world cup.Not an upset cup.Bring on the upsets,but if you can't follow it up with enough victories to clear the group stage then it's the team's incompetence.Not the system's.

    Also,FIFA will somehow conjure up a system to accomodate Italy,Brazil and Germany till the semis?

    Blatter is an idiot,but it is not humanly possible to treat a 32 team event like a puppet show where you control which team goes through and which team does not.You could plan out a safe passage for a team,but all of that would go down the drain should group placings in even one or two out of the 8 groups don't go according to the 'supposed' plan.
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    1999 and 2003 formats were best!

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    FIFA WC is different though because there are many more contenders for the title - 8-10 usually can be called "contenders". Here we're all talking about how wonderfully open the WC is with 5ish contenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slugger View Post
    FIFA's next world cup is going to protect brazil, germany and Italy, and they will get automactic entry up to the semi's ... because in the most recent world cup current champions Italy were kicked out first round and FIFA doesnt want that repeated.
    Comparing the Cricket World Cup to the Football World Cup is completely pointless and irrelevant to this debate.
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    If its 10 Nations Cricket World Cup: (GROUPS > SEMIS > FINAL = 15 Days)

    Group A:
    Australia
    Sri Lanka
    England
    WCQs 2
    WCQs 3

    Group B:
    India
    South Africa
    Pakistan
    WCQs 1
    WCQs 4

    WCQs: (LEAGUE) (ODI STATUS)
    1) New Zealand
    2) W.Indies
    3) B.Desh
    4) I.Land
    5) Div 1 W
    6) Div 1 R.Up

    Div 1: (ODI STATUS)
    1) Zimbabwe
    2) The Netherlands
    3) Afghanistan
    4) Canada
    5) Div 2 W
    6) Div 2 R.Up

    Div 2:
    1) Kenya
    2) UAE
    3) Namibia
    4) Uganda
    5) Div 3 W
    6) Div 3 R.up

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    I didn't actually mind the 07 format, but they needed more games each day. Would also do away with semis with that format, get the best two teams in the final
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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    I loved the 92 format to be honest, would hate it though if they persisted with 1 game a day nearly every day. You have to play 2 games a day and 3 at weekends or it drags too much. Trouble is TV has too big a say.
    '92 was the best format because every team played every other team at least once. You actually got to measure your team against every other team.
    In this format the team that wins the world cup will have done so without playing every other nation, IMO that is a flawed system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    '92 was the best format because every team played every other team at least once. You actually got to measure your team against every other team.
    In this format the team that wins the world cup will have done so without playing every other nation, IMO that is a flawed system.
    There wouldn't be a world cup in any sport where everyone plays everyone. That would be called a World Championship.

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    The problem with the current format, or any format with a stagnant massive-group-phase, is that you end up with all sorts of games that barely mean anything. This not only has the effect of losing interest in those games, but also makes the more memorable matches fade off into obscurity as they are drowned out by several predictable results in dull matches.

    If you want to value consistency, fine. But that's not what event tournaments are about. You may as well make the no.1 ranked side champions and not bother with the tournament.

    Every game should have as much riding on it as possible. That said, we can't have a straight knockout, partly because it wouldn't last long enough and party because a team going home after one match would be ridiculous. So a fair comprimise to me would be four groups of four, top two from each to progress to the knockouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    1999 and 2003 formats were best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    You may as well make the no.1 ranked side champions and not bother with the tournament.
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    Just on the frequency of matches, I quite like having no more than two per day. It reduces the possibility of conflict. Not to mention tv rights are where the money is these days, and they want to get the most out of the tournament. It's not changing any time soon.
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