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    0-231 in a knock-out match.

    Final nail in the coffin for mine. Definitely the worst bowling attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    0-231 in a knock-out match.

    Final nail in the coffin for mine. Definitely the worst bowling attack.
    england make India's attack look like the WI attack of the late 70s and early 80s
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Are England the worst bowling attack in the current WC?

    A big fat YES!

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    Not quite as bad as the 0-231 indicates, because they were badly depleted by injuries to Broad, Shehzad and maybe someone else that I'm missing, but even their first choice attack has the potential to turn into cannon-fodder when the subcontinent batsmen get going against them. The ODI series against India in 2008 and the WC prove that fairly comprehensively.


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    They performed the worst, fair enough. There is clearly more to it than that, their best bowlers were either mentally broken or literally broken, the whole affair was pretty messy.

    And they were tonked by a very good side in home conditions that's been preparing for this for months rather than days. Deservedly so.

    We can and we should come back from this. Our two frontline bowlers who actually managed to last, Swann and Bresnan, came out of this with decent records and bowled some excellent spells. Broad coming back is a given. Jimmy was the only real disaster and justifiably the only one whose permanant place should be under doubt. Really hoping he gets some early season wickets in the CC.

    The batting was the bigger problem, especially opening and lower-order accleration.
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    Anderson shouldn't come anywhere near an England ODI side in the subcontinent TBH. He managed to average 48 in a low scoring series that England won in SL in 2007. When you couple that with his wicketless 2008 series in India and his recent WC exploits, you have to think he just isn't made for 50 over cricket in these conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Anderson shouldn't come anywhere near an England ODI side in the subcontinent TBH. He managed to average 48 in a low scoring series that England won in SL in 2007. When you couple that with his wicketless 2008 series in India and his recent WC exploits, you have to think he just isn't made for 50 over cricket in these conditions.
    I agree in the sub continent , but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss him, especially in home conditions.
    As far as the rest of the attack, we know what Broad, Swann and Bresnan can do and Broad and Swann are world class. The thing for England is getting depth to their Odi team not just the bowling, but the batting also. Samit Patel would be the answer to a few of those questions, as far as variety in bowling and lower order hitting and you'd have thought with a place virtually guaranteed he would be doing all he could do to make this happen.
    I think this summer, England will start to introduce a few new faces, maybe the likes of Taylor and Jos Buttler, who has had a crazy good start to his list A career where he averages 50 at a strike rate of 150. With both being only 20, they should be eased into the side carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    Are England the worst bowling attack in the current WC?

    A big fat YES!
    Not any more.

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    Yeah, only meant the subcontinent. His style of bowling just doesn't work here right now, don't see him bowling cutters and mixing up the pace etc. If he adds those things, he might give himself a better chance of success in these conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Anderson shouldn't come anywhere near an England ODI side in the subcontinent TBH. He managed to average 48 in a low scoring series that England won in SL in 2007. When you couple that with his wicketless 2008 series in India and his recent WC exploits, you have to think he just isn't made for 50 over cricket in these conditions.
    I wouldn't expect him to tear it up when we come across in October, but I wouldn't expect him to go as badly as he did in 2008 either. 2008 was an odd year for Anderson in ODIs, he'd generally tightened up his bowling but for some reason that year seemed utterly incapable of taking wickets against anybody.

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    12th worst attack in the world cup on basis of bowling avg, with just Ken and Net above it.

    I rest my case.

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    Given that your case said it was the worst, you've proved nothing. **** post mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Given that your case said it was the worst, you've proved nothing. **** post mate.
    Small mercies, I concede they were better than Net and Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun View Post
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    12th worst attack in the world cup on basis of bowling avg, with just Ken and Net above it.

    I rest my case.
    You seem to have a bit of a hard on for England, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun View Post
    Team records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

    12th worst attack in the world cup on basis of bowling avg, with just Ken and Net above it.

    I rest my case.
    If a statsguru link can "rest your case", here are bowling averages against the top 8 sides. Isn't that what you like to do?

    Or, you know, we could talk reasonably about what's causing this or what we could do about it. But apparantly that's just "excuses".

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