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    Don't know about World Cups but Greece in Euro 2004 was the worst nation to win a major tournament in my lifetime.

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    At the start of 2004 Greece were 30th in Fifa's rankings.

    http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ra...ion=0&rank=117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Still reckon football is more prone to upsets as well as it is a shorter game (other reasons too but lets not turn it into a cricket vs. football debate) but what is the 'worst' team to ever win the football world cup?
    Italy in 2006.

    Awful, horrible, workmanlike, defensive, nasty, smelly team.*

    But you're right; the thing that makes football most susceptible to shocks is the uniquely high premium it puts on scoring. A team snaffles a goal early doors and their keeper has a blinder/the oppo have a shooting mare and suddenly you get yerself an upset.

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    The edit made me laugh tbh.


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    if use the soccer world cup has analogy.

    yes you do get up sets, under dogs pulling off a win. It happens in the FA cup every so often aswell.

    and you can say soccer is more prone to "up sets" because of the dynamics of the game. but a win is win nonetheless.

    just because an african nation has not progessed to the semis doesnt give anybody the right to say they dont deserve to be there at all.

    yet this is exactly what cricket is saying to the associates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Still reckon football is more prone to upsets as well as it is a shorter game (other reasons too but lets not turn it into a cricket vs. football debate) but what is the 'worst' team to ever win the football world cup?
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    Italy in 2006.

    Awful, horrible, workmanlike, defensive, nasty, smelly team.*

    But you're right; the thing that makes football most susceptible to shocks is the uniquely high premium it puts on scoring. A team snaffles a goal early doors and their keeper has a blinder/the oppo have a shooting mare and suddenly you get yerself an upset.

    *EDIT: forgot cynical and diving.
    Yeah that's true. One-day cricket is pretty upset-friendly too, though. The thing about football is that the tactics involved in beating a team much better than you are so advanced. There are some fairly simple things you can do to give yourself a good shot at an upset- pressing as a team, fitness, working on set-pieces- Greece covered them all pretty much perfectly in 2004.

    The relative tactics in ODIs aren't yet at the same level. Ireland are currently trying to follow the template originally set out by New Zealand- working hard on fielding, batting deep, having as many options with the ball as possible and excelling in conditions where a lot of our opponents struggle. A World Cup in early-season India really doesn't suit our agenda, but it'll be interesting to see how they go about trying to pull something off tactically. I reckon having a few capable sloggers in the lower order is the way to maximise your chances of an upset in India, but that's not one of our strengths, so hopefully we'll have put some work in on it by the time the WC rolls around.

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    Great post Uppercut.

    Makes you wonder what Bangladesh could be capable of if they sorted out their fielding. It's such an underrated asset to have in modern one day cricket. Arguably England's biggest strength in their World T20 win was that they were the top fielding side there, and it's the biggest factor holding India back from being runaway favourites for the WC.

    Edit: I don't watch football but I believe that Germany 1990 were an awful WC winning side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Yeah that's true. One-day cricket is pretty upset-friendly too, though. The thing about football is that the tactics involved in beating a team much better than you are so advanced. There are some fairly simple things you can do to give yourself a good shot at an upset- pressing as a team, fitness, working on set-pieces- Greece covered them all pretty much perfectly in 2004.

    The relative tactics in ODIs aren't yet at the same level. Ireland are currently trying to follow the template originally set out by New Zealand- working hard on fielding, batting deep, having as many options with the ball as possible and excelling in conditions where a lot of our opponents struggle. A World Cup in early-season India really doesn't suit our agenda, but it'll be interesting to see how they go about trying to pull something off tactically. I reckon having a few capable sloggers in the lower order is the way to maximise your chances of an upset in India, but that's not one of our strengths, so hopefully we'll have put some work in on it by the time the WC rolls around.
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    Ah.

    That's actually a little better for us. But still dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Great post Uppercut.

    Makes you wonder what Bangladesh could be capable of if they sorted out their fielding. It's such an underrated asset to have in modern one day cricket. Arguably England's biggest strength in their World T20 win was that they were the top fielding side there, and it's the biggest factor holding India back from being runaway favourites for the WC.
    TBF, Bangladesh's fielding has improved a ton. They were absolutely dreadful for years but when Jamie Siddons took over it improved drastically. And it has quite clearly made a difference to their performance in ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post

    Edit: I don't watch football but I believe that Germany 1990 were an awful WC winning side.
    Nooo. Well drilled and efficient in their teutonic way, but they played quite a bit of football. Destroyed a very good Yugoslav team in the group stages. Much more than Brazil did in 94, certainly.

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    Surely not. Even the least attractive of the successful Brazilian sides was prettier than the most attractive of successful German sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Yeah that's true. One-day cricket is pretty upset-friendly too, though. The thing about football is that the tactics involved in beating a team much better than you are so advanced. There are some fairly simple things you can do to give yourself a good shot at an upset- pressing as a team, fitness, working on set-pieces- Greece covered them all pretty much perfectly in 2004.
    What Greece did so effectively was to resurrect a defensive tactic that had fallen out of fashion to the extent that people had forgotten how to combat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laksh_01 View Post
    My curiosity made me create this thread but pls I need genuine & serious answers n discussion - Wat IF an associate nation (Ireland/Kenya/Netherlands/Canada) manages to win this World Cup? Before someone starts making fun of this thread - I knw that it is 100% not possible but the term is IF. So pls throw in ur opinions. How do u think it will change the face of Cricket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Italy in 2006.

    Awful, horrible, workmanlike, defensive, nasty, smelly team.*

    But you're right; the thing that makes football most susceptible to shocks is the uniquely high premium it puts on scoring. A team snaffles a goal early doors and their keeper has a blinder/the oppo have a shooting mare and suddenly you get yerself an upset.

    *EDIT: forgot cynical and diving.
    Cheapshot at the 2nd most successful football nation in history.No?

    Going by all football world cups so far,i'd say that England in 1966 probably had the weakest team to win a world cup,compared to all other winners.And i mean that very respectfully.They've had better teams after that.The fact that they've not achieved anything with those teams is another issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    What Greece did so effectively was to resurrect a defensive tactic that had fallen out of fashion to the extent that people had forgotten how to combat it.
    I wish I believed that, because if it were true it would make Rehhagel even more obscenely genius.

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