Gilchrist a cheater? - Page 4

jot1 · 04-05-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Francis

Another thing I forgot to mention is that it's odd people are saying Gilchrist was out of form, and now he's in-form because of the glove... as if all those cleanly hit shots came from a glove. Gilchrist has good days from time to time.

He was out of form the whole tournement, except in the final. His stats were dire. Then he found form.
Makes you think what balls can do for a guy.

Francis · 04-05-2007, 07:39 AM

The ball didn't help him time his shots, help his hand-eye coordination and placement etc. All of which Gilchrist displayed. He was out of form after the 2005 Ashes, but still hit the odd great innings. Tendulkar has been out of form for a long time but hits the occasional good innings. Lets not start a double standard.

Anybody who saw that innings saw Gilchrist in-form because he was hitting the ball cleanly. That ball doesn't stop him from mistiming balls etc.

Richard · 04-05-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Francis

Why do I visit Muralifans? Because I'm a Murali fan. I don't know why you're curious about it. What are you implying and why bring it up?

Don't think Tharmi was implying anything sinister TBH. Just that it's a site mostly designed with Lankans in mind.

sideshowtim · 04-05-2007, 08:15 AM

The only people I've seen agree with the idea that the ball was unfair and was the reason Gilchrist scored 149 are bitter and biased Sri Lankans. Shut up already and acknowledge a magnificent innings. The squash ball wasn't timing those shots, the squash ball wasn't seeing the cricket ball like a beach ball....

While Sri Lankans captain and team may be gracious the same can't be said for their fans.

PhoenixFire · 04-05-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by luffy

Ah bull****. Tha's all i'm saying on the matter.

Wise words.

pup11 · 04-05-2007, 11:01 AM

WTF? How the hell does Gilly break any rules by having a squash ball in his glove, if anything that should make gripping the bat a bit more difficult.

And if Gilly was trying to cheat why would he ever disclose the fact that he was he having a squash ball inside his glove.

So all the Sri lankan fans who are behaving like pathetic losers and calling Gilly a cheat, you guys just "**** OFF"!

PhoenixFire · 04-05-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pup11

WTF? How the hell does Gilly break any rules by having a squash ball in his glove, if anything that should make gripping the bat a bit more difficult.

And if Gilly was trying to cheat why would he ever disclose the fact that he was he having a squash ball inside his glove.

So all the Sri lankan fans who are behaving like pathetic losers and calling Gilly a cheat, you guys just "**** OFF"!

Then why would he do it?

It's not as clear cut as 'He isn't breaking any rules', I cba to look up the MCC rules and stuff, but I think there might be something to do with foreign bodies and so on. I'm not calling him a cheat mind.

viktor · 04-05-2007, 11:07 AM

I guess I am trying to understand where does one draw a line.
How is the ball-in-the-glove different from a bowler using a bandage on his finger? Both are used to get a better grip on the equipment, bat and ball, respectively.
Obviously the ball-in-the-glove was a one-off but what if it does give rise to Gilly-clones as everybody tries to exploit this (if it is at all possible)?
Why should bowlers be denied the opportunity to get more traction on the ball by using bandages?

PhoenixFire · 04-05-2007, 11:11 AM

I guess the problem people (like me), will have with this, is that batsmen don't need any more leg-ups when it comes to not middling it/timing it, and still hitting boundaries. If I had my way then anything that aided batsmen like this should be outlawed to make the game a fairer contest.

Ash_A55 · 04-05-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Francis

http://www.muralifans.com/Subpages/N...0_03_05_07.htm

This is my the most ridiculous thing I have heard in quote a long time.

Why is it ridiculous? I bet the aussies would scream the house down if Jayasuria had done that. I agree with the guy who wrote that!

dontcloseyoureyes · 04-05-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

Then why would he do it?

It's because it helps you to hit in the V. Gilly hits them through the off side too much and oft. slices them to point and ****, but with the ball it pushes you through the line more. I don't think it actually helps to time the ball at all, just gets him to play straighter because of his weird grip.

dontcloseyoureyes · 04-05-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash_A55

Why is it ridiculous? I bet the aussies would scream the house down if Jayasuria had done that. I agree with the guy who wrote that!

I couldn't give a **** what he has in his gloves. He still has to bat, it's not like Squash balls make you invulnerable to losing your wicket. And anyway, Sanath doesn't need to hit straighter, all his best shots are through the square regions of the ground.

Ash_A55 · 04-05-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

And anyway, Sanath doesn't need to hit straighter, all his best shots are through the square regions of the ground.

Fair point.

BoyBrumby · 04-05-2007, 01:28 PM

Was this not mentioned in other countries during the actual game? On Sky over here Slater called it more-or-less straight away. He said Gilly had felt as if he was playing with too much bottom hand all through the tournament & the squash ball helped that.

Swervy · 04-05-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash_A55

Why is it ridiculous? I bet the aussies would scream the house down if Jayasuria had done that. I agree with the guy who wrote that!

sit down!!!!

04-05-2007, 11:07 AM	#53 (permalink)
viktor State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: united states Posts: 1,107	I guess I am trying to understand where does one draw a line. How is the ball-in-the-glove different from a bowler using a bandage on his finger? Both are used to get a better grip on the equipment, bat and ball, respectively. Obviously the ball-in-the-glove was a one-off but what if it does give rise to Gilly-clones as everybody tries to exploit this (if it is at all possible)? Why should bowlers be denied the opportunity to get more traction on the ball by using bandages? __________________ Member of the AAAS

04-05-2007, 01:28 PM	#59 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,658	Was this not mentioned in other countries during the actual game? On Sky over here Slater called it more-or-less straight away. He said Gilly had felt as if he was playing with too much bottom hand all through the tournament & the squash ball helped that. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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04-05-2007, 07:39 AM	#47 (permalink)
Francis State Vice-Captain Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: WELLYWOOD Posts: 1,032	The ball didn't help him time his shots, help his hand-eye coordination and placement etc. All of which Gilchrist displayed. He was out of form after the 2005 Ashes, but still hit the odd great innings. Tendulkar has been out of form for a long time but hits the occasional good innings. Lets not start a double standard. Anybody who saw that innings saw Gilchrist in-form because he was hitting the ball cleanly. That ball doesn't stop him from mistiming balls etc.

04-05-2007, 08:15 AM	#49 (permalink)
sideshowtim Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 3,255	The only people I've seen agree with the idea that the ball was unfair and was the reason Gilchrist scored 149 are bitter and biased Sri Lankans. Shut up already and acknowledge a magnificent innings. The squash ball wasn't timing those shots, the squash ball wasn't seeing the cricket ball like a beach ball.... While Sri Lankans captain and team may be gracious the same can't be said for their fans.

04-05-2007, 11:01 AM	#51 (permalink)
pup11 International Coach Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: India Posts: 12,134	WTF? How the hell does Gilly break any rules by having a squash ball in his glove, if anything that should make gripping the bat a bit more difficult. And if Gilly was trying to cheat why would he ever disclose the fact that he was he having a squash ball inside his glove. So all the Sri lankan fans who are behaving like pathetic losers and calling Gilly a cheat, you guys just "**** OFF"!

04-05-2007, 11:11 AM	#54 (permalink)
PhoenixFire International Coach Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bitch please, I'm from West Yorkshire Posts: 14,987	I guess the problem people (like me), will have with this, is that batsmen don't need any more leg-ups when it comes to not middling it/timing it, and still hitting boundaries. If I had my way then anything that aided batsmen like this should be outlawed to make the game a fairer contest.

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