South Africa are they still wearing the chocker tag?

[Shaggy Alfresco]

Not sure about England.

We're just crap.

 

[Evermind]

To be fair, I wouldn't call this game a choke. To choke, you have to have eaten something.

 

[marc71178]

India have been called chokers for quite a while now. Pakistan won a WC 4 tournaments ago, which isn't really that long ago, plus they made th final in '99. Not sure about England.

Can't choke if you don't get in a position to choke.

 

[Scaly piscine]

England have the 'collapsers' tag.

 

[BoyBrumby]

TBF we've managed to lose two WC finals when we were in positions to win at times during both matches, so we weren't adverse to the occasional choke.

Is today's performance a choke tho? Or just freezing on the big stage? Need to get my clichés sorted for the inevitable discussion in the boozer on Friday.

 

[nightprowler10]

TBF we've managed to lose two WC finals when we were in positions to win at times during both matches, so we weren't adverse to the occasional choke.

Should the tag really apply to a team that makes it to the WC finals? I mean its no easy ask to make three finals, and they always lost to better teams, didn't they?

 

[Sanz]

India and SA are biggest chokers when it comes to big matches esp when they are facing Australia.

 

[TT Boy]

To choke, surely one would have to turn up?

This was nothing more than a redundant ass ****ing with captain Smith’s waltz precluding the inevitable.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Should the tag really apply to a team that makes it to the WC finals? I mean its no easy ask to make three finals, and they always lost to better teams, didn't they?

That's certainly true of 1979, but we were arguably a better one day outfit than either Oz in 1987 or Pakistan in 1992. We'd bowled the latter out for 70-odd in the group stage before rain interrupted.

 

[wpdavid]

That's certainly true of 1979, but we were arguably a better one day outfit than either Oz in 1987 or Pakistan in 1992. We'd bowled the latter out for 70-odd in the group stage before rain interrupted.

You could argue that we choked in 1987. IIRC we bowled horribly at the start of the Aus innings, and a lot of our batsmen froze badly. Then there's Gatt's ludicrous reverse sweep, of course. That was a game we should have won.

1992 was different, imo. Ultimately we lost because a number of Pakistan players played really well: crucially their world class performers produced the goods when it mattered most. There's not much shame in losing out to Imran, Javed, Wasim & Inzi playing out of their skins.

 

[Richard]

It's no coincidence that we had both games virtually won before wickets at a crucial time in both yanked them away.

The ultimate WC choke, though, has to be 1983. West Indies losing to India is easily the biggest upset in WC-final history.

 

[wpdavid]

It's no coincidence that we had both games virtually won before wickets at a crucial time in both yanked them away.

The ultimate WC choke, though, has to be 1983. West Indies losing to India is easily the biggest upset in WC-final history.

Dunno if that was a choke as such. More like a severe case of over-confidence, imo.

 

[Richard]

They were chasing a piss-easy target. I hate the word "choke" ITFP, TBH, so I prefer to just say lost what you should have won easily. Which they undoubtedly did.

 

[jot1]

This is the most boring subject ever. No matter in what thread the words South Africa comes up in, there will also be a few pages of posts with the word chokers in it. Same old, same old. Makes one lose interest in any discussion of the team immediately. And you all wonder why you have so few Saffies on this forum.

 

[Richard]

TBH I don't think it's the only reason - James posted net-access stats for Round The World and apparently it's a pretty darn small percentage of the population in SA.

May have something to do with it, though - there are several SAfricans who've posted a little and then disappeared - DocHead was one of the best. And it is a shame.

 

[frey]

This is the most boring subject ever. No matter in what thread the words South Africa comes up in, there will also be a few pages of posts with the word chokers in it. Same old, same old. Makes one lose interest in any discussion of the team immediately. And you all wonder why you have so few Saffies on this forum.

Boring?? Quite the opposite really. I just had a quick look at the on-line news reports out of South Africa, and this match and the "choke" is somewhat breaking news and front page news. It appears to be of interest to the nation.

 

[Richard]

Some people never tire of relentlessly-bashed patronisations, you see.

 

[frey]

Will see tomorrow if they really still are the chokers or not!

A wise and considered response.

 

[frey]

They won't lose the choker tag until they win a world cup.. What I don't understand is why the same doesn't apply to Pakistan, India or England..

Well stated. You can also throw in NZ and Sri Lanka. When the pressure is on in an important match against the best in the world they also choke big time.

 

[Richard]

Big call I know, and I'm certainly not sure or anything, just a guess...