ENGLAND FANS: do you still think Vaughan can hack it in ODIs?

[Richard]

Says it all, really... given that, up to 2007 and the CB Series, there were still those on this board claiming Vaughan was on track to make it as a ODI player (based on this)... does anyone still feel he can keep his place into next summer and start to hack the shorter game?

 

[DCC_legend]

No- Based on the inconsistancy (sp?) of his scores. Yes, he had a few decent scores, but none of those he has managed to convert into hundreds.

 

[Perm]

No, he is woefully inept. Not sure what his List A record is like, but it can't be too flash.

 

[Richard]

His List-A record's almost as poor as his ODI one, and when he was picked way back in 2001 I said such a thing (though obviously not on CW as the place wasn't around yet) and said that he should never, ever have been selected for ODIs because of it.

 

[DCC_legend]

No, he is woefully inept. Not sure what his List A record is like, but it can't be too flash.

List A  -	269 	260 	25 	6700 	125* 	28.51 	 3     41   82   0

You were right, it isn't too flash with an average of 28.51.

 

[Poker Boy]

No - and what rarely gets mentioned is his list A record which is nearly as crap as his ODI record:
Matches - 269
Innings - 260
Not out - 25
Runs - 6700
HS - 125
Average - 28.51
100s - 3
50s - 41
it is quite clear that this is not a guy who is brilliant in domestic cricket but can't hack ODIs - he just can't play one-day cricket period. And if he can't play it at 32, why on earth does anyone think he'll suddenly be able to? If he was not the captain he would have been out on his ear ages ago with that record...

 

[Richard]

I noted that before he ever played a single ODI... as I mentioned.

 

[TT Boy]

Says it all, really... given that, up to 2007 and the CB Series, there were still those on this board claiming Vaughan was on track to make it as a ODI player (based on this)... does anyone still feel he can keep his place into next summer and start to hack the shorter game?

I believe Marc use to like using that statistic as a vindication of Vaughan's talent, when the injured captain was routinely criticised by me for being absolutely ****e. Hopefully Marc’ opinion has changed for anyone who claims Vaughan has a place in a ODI side is beyond the realms of insane.

 

[Richard]

Marc might have been the main one I was thinking of with this thread, but he certainly wasn't an exclusive entity.

And he was actually saying such a thing before Vaughan got injured, too.

 

[superkingdave]

Probably worth noting that 2 of his 3 hundreds came with a red ball and white clothing.

 

[Richard]

I do think it was probably just coincidence, the rules are the same regardless of the colour of the ball, but it's a funny little one in any case.

 

[andyc]

Haha. 0-8 atm. Scathing.

 

[Richard]

Well I was kinda hoping so...

 

[pasag]

Would've rathered a poll:

ENGLAND FANS: do you still think Strauss can make it in ODIs?

 

[GIMH]

I'll make that one, if you want

Vaughan should probably step down from ODIs, the only problem is I desperately want him to continue as Test captain, and I don't believe the selectors are all that fussed on splitting the captaincy again. Also, I'm not sure who would captain the ODI side; Flintoff's been sacked, Strauss is no longer assured a place in the side and Trescothick would probably be lucky just to play for us again. Basically it would have to be Collingwood, who as far as I know has no captaincy experience. Nonetheless, no, Vaughan should not play ODIs

 

[Richard]

Would've rathered a poll:

ENGLAND FANS: do you still think Strauss can make it in ODIs?

Might have done, but Strauss has been almost universally denounced on this board as a ODI batsman in my experience.

 

[GIMH]

He's probably a better ODI batsman than Vaughan, though

 

[Richard]

Maybe, but if so only by a small amount, and to be so is hardly a notable achievement!!!

 

[_Ed_]

I'd have to say the results of this poll are fairly inconclusive...

 

[Richard]

Maths not your strong point, eh Edmunds?