If Flower hadn't retired, I have no doubt that he would be a success compared to some of the other players, he still one of the best players of spin in world atm.
semi finals or better
better than they did, but not enought to make super 8
And yeah, there's probably a fair few I've missed that I just didn't know about - like Dale Steyn. There's also Paul Harris who was born in Zimbabwe AFAIK, but he didn't play a List A game last season (either that, or he wasn't listed in the stats for some reason) so I haven't listed him either.
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Updated list including Steyn and Harris:
Couldn't find Harris before, because I was looking for him in the South African stats and he plays in England. Born in Zimbabwe, plays his cricket in England, then represents South Africa..
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Dale Steyn is a stretch given he was born and raised in South Africa. Im also not convinced about his family coming from Zim. He is born just on the SA side of the Zim border but I seem to recall from the deepest recesses of my mind (I could be mistaken) that the Zim connection was a misconception based purely on his inability to speak Afrikaans.
However if you want a real "blue chipper" to add to the list how about Dale Benkenstein?
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I actually had no idea that Benkenstein was still playing - good find.
Chouhan still can. He was approached before the WC about becoming involved and is thinking it over.
Steyn has an interesting admission that belies his surname, and is sure to make readers of Die Beeld wince - he speaks no Afrikaans. "I do try ..." he insists, but explains that his parents were British Rhodesians and so there was never any cause to take up the language. Already, however, his ignorance has stood him in good stead at the crease. Faced with a gutful of vitriol from Nantie Hayward, his fiery forebear in the South African team, Steyn could do nothing but shrug: "I couldn't understand what he was on about!"
I think almost all Rhodies were British- the Afrikaners didn't get on with Cecil Rhodes at all. Some of the guys who have Afrikaner-sounding names, like Blignaut and Vermeulen, are actually "properly" Dutch rather than Afrikaners.
This world cup would probably have been Andy Flower's last time in international cricket, I'm 98% certain he would like to have retired after this tournament if things hadn't gone downhill so fast in Zim. Other guys probably would have gone sooner due to injury etc. The fact is about fifteen or so players mentioned would constitute a good international side, but ultimately I think debate about this is a bit pointless and will just go round in circles.
Somebody has to...
A great loss really. Zimbabwe cricket was shaping up well back in the day. A small player base didn't stop New Zealand from becoming a top 8 cricket nation.
1. Vusi Sibanda (now playing in Australia)
2. Ryan Waston (a scot)
3. Andy Flower (playing for Essex in England)
4. Dale Benkenstein (playing for Durham in England)
5. Graheme Hick (playing with Worcestershire for ages)/Murray Goodwin (playing for Sussex for ages)
6. Grant Flower (same as his brother)
7. T. Taibu (?)
8. Sean Ervine (playing for Hampshire in England)
9. Heath Streak (playing for Warwickshire in England)
10. Andy Blignaut (?)
11. Paul Harris (same as Streak)
Apologies to Ray Price and Dale Steyn and even Scott Brant and Graheme Lamb...
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