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    Crowds

    Leaving aside debates over the quality of the cricket, there is no doubt the crowds have been terrible.

    Even for the supposedly bigger games they have been wanting. No doubt they will pick up in the Super-8's but thats little excuse and there is no guarantee that sell outs will occur.

    Circumstances such as high ticket prices and mid week games have been suggested but I would say that it was obvious crowds would be poor before the tournament was close to bginnning.

    The Reasons

    a) I would guestimate the cricket playing Carribean has a total population of less then 6 million people. Far too few to adequately support an event of this size.

    b) The fact that the games are being played on seperate small islands across a massive area means that it is very difficult for local fans to travel to different games. For example where I lived in the UK within a couple of hours drive there was Headingley, Trent Bridge, Old Trafford, Durham etc. Obviously other countries are far more spread out but it is still easier to travel to different grounds than in the WI.

    c) Islands with tiny populations are asked to pack grounds. It just never was going to happen.

    d) The reliance on tourists was a business gamble. For a tournament to be successful it must have local foundations with tourists as a bonus. Also the geographic location of the WI and the tournaments timing is poor. Apart from the UK and mainland North America, pretty much everone else has at least 2 flights and massive travel effort to get there. Its off putting. Also add into the fact that it is after the Ashes series and you suddenly have less of the biggest cricketing tourists (England) traveling.

    Quite clearly, the tiny crowds should have been expected. In fact there was never any other possibility and the tournament planners and the ICC should have recognised this early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Leaving aside debates over the quality of the cricket, there is no doubt the crowds have been terrible.

    Even for the supposedly bigger games they have been wanting. No doubt they will pick up in the Super-8's but thats little excuse and there is no guarantee that sell outs will occur.

    Circumstances such as high ticket prices and mid week games have been suggested but I would say that it was obvious crowds would be poor before the tournament was close to bginnning.

    The Reasons

    a) I would guestimate the cricket playing Carribean has a total population of less then 6 million people. Far too few to adequately support an event of this size.

    b) The fact that the games are being played on seperate small islands across a massive area means that it is very difficult for local fans to travel to different games. For example where I lived in the UK within a couple of hours drive there was Headingley, Trent Bridge, Old Trafford, Durham etc. Obviously other countries are far more spread out but it is still easier to travel to different grounds than in the WI.

    c) Islands with tiny populations are asked to pack grounds. It just never was going to happen.

    d) The reliance on tourists was a business gamble. For a tournament to be successful it must have local foundations with tourists as a bonus. Also the geographic location of the WI and the tournaments timing is poor. Apart from the UK and mainland North America, pretty much everone else has at least 2 flights and massive travel effort to get there. Its off putting. Also add into the fact that it is after the Ashes series and you suddenly have less of the biggest cricketing tourists (England) traveling.

    Quite clearly, the tiny crowds should have been expected. In fact there was never any other possibility and the tournament planners and the ICC should have recognised this early.
    It has been a shame, but I would say a lot of people will have planned going to the Super 8s. I know someone who has gone over there already (but to Guyana), not going to any of these early games, but is going to half the Super 8s.

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    Agree with all of that, but there's one major factor you missed: price. Due to all the reasons you mention (and as you rightly point out), it should really have been obvious from a very early stage that many of the group matches were likely to be almost unattended. If the ICC really sought to mitigate the criticism of their format, they should have at the very least provided massive discounts for locals; given free tickets to local schools, etc. and so forth. They could've given themselves a massive grass-roots boost in this manner, but instead you've had the unedifying spectacle of some guy in a mascot suit wearing an ICC badge walking round near-empty stadiums practically begging the few kids present to pretend to be amused by it.

    As you say, the arguments about the length and quality of the group stages can roll on all day, but to my mind it's undeniable that the ICC have missed a trick to make the sport properly accessible to all, and in a group of nations where a boost to local perceptions is looking really quite necessary, that's pretty criminal.

    Edit: I'm an idiot. You didn't miss the price factor at all. I blame Mr. Bordeaux.

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    i thought the biggest was problem that the visa...look at the irsh fans and canada fans they are coming in fairly ok considering they are minnows....but big teams like india and pakistan and bangladesh(in terms of support) are not coming in becaus eof the visa problem...it was said in cricinfo that the india and bagladesh game was a sell out but it looked pretty empty to me this may been the cause of the visa-fans probably bought the tickets but couldn't come to the tournament because of it or at least not on time. (it takes like 3 months or something to get your passport back after appling for it). The smart thing would be to give free visa to every participating country since they were hopeing to make money of the expected tourist for the tournament...they put lot of money into it so they should have done that too but i think the WI will be more in debt which they hope would be the opposite after the world cup


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    This was widely predicted a while back, similar to what LA ICE-E said, people weren't happy with the visa system and alot of people just said "cbf" because of it.
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    cbf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    This was widely predicted a while back, similar to what LA ICE-E said, people weren't happy with the visa system and alot of people just said "cbf" because of it.
    Doesnt explain the lack of local support though. It also kind of makes the merits of a tournament being held in a region completely reliant on people from other countries attending from look dubious.

    Terrible business plan and rather than expect others to travel thousands of miles it would make infinately more sense basing the WC where the people already are.
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    they are there when WI is playing but not for the other games...they expected like 100 thousand vistors but i guess more than half didn't come because of visa...if they could have done the visa right, it would have been at least half packed every game look at the irish(not even a big sport) but they dind't have a problem with the visa other countries had to send their passports to like india or australia or whatever etc and it took like 3 months and ****...i expect atleast half packed crowds at every game the next world cup....this is probably going to be the worst attendance the world cup have had...but take nothing away from the tournament, because that is one of the best world cups in terms of excitement but just screwed up on tehe visa/vistor money which they were banking on and really needed. WI will be in more debt and this is the time that if they are the ICC needs to bail them out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Doesnt explaun the lack of loacl support though. It also kind of makes the merits of a tournament being held in a region completely reliant on people from other countries attending from look dubious.

    Terrible business plan and rather than expect others to travel thousands of miles it would make infinately more sense basing the WC where the people already are.


    Not sure how many were offered to locals, I suppose not very many from memories of the Commonwealth Games and Olympics in Australia. Even so, not sure you can expect them to attend games that don't include their country and minnows especially for the cost. But I agree with you and with the massive costs and investment the countries in the Caribbean have poured into the WC, this may end up as an economic disaster for the area. Time will tell for that one.

    On the visa thing, here's a cricinfo article for January:

    Slow sales for World Cup tickets
    January 21, 2007

    With just 50 days to go until the World Cup starts in the Caribbean there is concern over dwindling ticket sales. The problems with some nationalities needing to obtain visas is believed to be playing a major part.

    Applicants who require visas must either reach their nearest office or mail their passports along with $100 and join a long waiting list.

    "This is the worst public-relations nightmare that the Caribbean has ever created for itself," said Josef Forstmayr, managing director of Round Hill Hotel and Villas in Montego Bay, Jamaica.

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    I think the crowds will swell for the latter games, though the crowd levels have been dissapointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA ICE-E View Post
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    The crowds have obviously been pretty big for the West Indies games, and the South Africa-Australia and India-Sri Lanka games were sold out before the tournament began. I think when the proper teams start playing each other, the crowds will improve. England-New Zealand is not really a heavyweight battle that you'd expect to draw in neutral supporters. Games involving teams like SA, India, SL and Australia are far better sells.
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    what do you think will happen if india's out in the 1st round(which im hopeing now that bangladesh and india cant go together)

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    Tickets have already been sold haven't they?

    IIRC weren't there problems with visas for a lot of people looking to come over from India?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Tickets have already been sold haven't they?

    IIRC weren't there problems with visas for a lot of people looking to come over from India?
    You're aware of the reasoning behind hosting India in Trinidad, right? Take a look at the history of the country. Utterly needless to say, there's a fair bit of support for India in Trinidad.

    Whether or not the stadium is packed on the day, there have been reports of the game being sold out for a while now. I have friends who couldn't get tickets.

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