Super Eight - Page 5

FaaipDeOiad · 22-03-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, that just sounds stupid. I guess i'll wait till South Africa beats Australia on Saturday and we'll see then. If someone could post a link to confirm the super 8 positioning, that would be great, can't seem to find anything on cricinfo...

Haha, there's no need to wait and see. That's the way it works.

The easiest way to confirm it is to look at the schedule for a single team. It is already determined where each nation will play their Super 8 matches if they make it that far, regardless of what position they finish.

pasag · 22-03-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

I'm actually not sure about that.

Ireland took Pakistan's place and are D1:

From the BBC on how the World Cup works:

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Super Eight

There will be 24 matches in the Super Eight, with each team playing each other, except for the one team they have already faced in the group stage.

The points from that group stage match will be carried forward to their Super Eight tally.

The top four teams from the Super Eight will progress to the semi-finals and for any tiebreakers the criteria listed in the group stage above will be used.

The Super Eight seeding is the same as used in the first round, based on world ranking, with no notice taken of whether a side finishes first or second in a group.

For example, if South Africa win Group A and Australia come second, for the purposes of the Super Eight, South Africa will still be A2 and Australia will be A1.

If, for example, Scotland qualify instead of Australia, Scotland will become A1.

Sandman · 22-03-2007, 06:32 AM

Really? Can u show me a link that says that?

KiWiNiNjA · 22-03-2007, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Ireland took Pakistan's place and are D1:

From the BBC on how the World Cup works

Cheers for that one pasag

Sandman · 22-03-2007, 06:34 AM

Lol, same time posting. Ok, cool. I believe u now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Still sounds stupid to me though...

FaaipDeOiad · 22-03-2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

Lol, same time posting. Ok, cool. I believe u now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Still sounds stupid to me though...

Why is it stupid?

Think about it - it's not like having a seeding out of the group stage in say a football or rugby World Cup, where you avoid the other 1st placed nations for a round. There's absolutely no difference between being A1 and A2. Australia and South Africa will still play six matches against the other six qualifiers, and carry over points from their match in the group stage if they won it.

Plus, there's no argument for giving the team that finishes first an advantage over the other qualifier, as they already have one - the points from winning their direct match.

It would be stupid to make a country wait to find out when and where it would play its Super Eight games for absolutely no reason. Better to set the schedule up early.

KiWiNiNjA · 22-03-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Why is it stupid?

Think about it - it's not like having a seeding out of the group stage in say a football or rugby World Cup, where you avoid the other 1st placed nations for a round. There's absolutely no difference between being A1 and A2. Australia and South Africa will still play six matches against the other six qualifiers, and carry over points from their match in the group stage if they won it.

Plus, there's no argument for giving the team that finishes first an advantage over the other qualifier, as they already have one - the points from winning their direct match.

It would be stupid to make a country wait to find out when and where it would play its Super Eight games for absolutely no reason. Better to set the schedule up early.

To add to that....

When considering A1 and A2 it is definitely not stupid. The early matches in the Super 8 are being played at either Antigua or Guyana. Which are quite far apart. A1 will play there first 3 games in Antigua and A2 in Guyana. Instead of having to wait til the last minute to find where your team is playing, you already know, and hence making accomodation, getting tickets etc easy

marc71178 · 22-03-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

New Zealand is the only team with a definite position in the super 8. Even if they lose to Canada (lol) they will still qualify 1st as they have 2 wins and beat both other super 8 possibilities.

Actually, it's NRR before results between teams, not that that would matter in terms of 2 teams tied for 1st place.

Richard · 22-03-2007, 09:40 AM

seriously?

I never thought I'd see the day...

marc71178 · 22-03-2007, 11:44 AM

Yes - surprised me.

I was only looking to see if the NRR when 3 sides were tied was based on matches between the 3 or all matches.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 22-03-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

You've never heard of ATM machines and PIN numbers?

I don't endorse them.

Richard · 22-03-2007, 03:38 PM

Me neither, but I've heard mention of the mysterious things.

Evermind · 22-03-2007, 11:31 PM

I think it's safe to assume that the run for the championship has narrowed to a 4-horse race:

Aus
SA
NZ
SL

I don't see Eng and WI being serious contenders, and India will be crashing out tonight.

So we pretty much have our semi-finalists here.

Jono · 23-03-2007, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Evermind

I think it's safe to assume that the run for the championship has narrowed to a 4-horse race:

Prepared to make it interesting?

I mean, if its so safe an assumption...

Prince EWS · 23-03-2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Ireland took Pakistan's place and are D1:

From the BBC on how the World Cup works:

Just out of interest, what would have happened if Scotland and Holland both qualified?

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Sandman Cricket Spectator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Christchurch, NZ Posts: 16	Lol, same time posting. Ok, cool. I believe u now. Thanks for clearing that up. Still sounds stupid to me though... Last edited by Sandman; 22-03-2007 at 06:37 AM.

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Sandman Cricket Spectator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Christchurch, NZ Posts: 16	Really? Can u show me a link that says that?

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Me neither, but I've heard mention of the mysterious things.

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Evermind International Debutant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,250	I think it's safe to assume that the run for the championship has narrowed to a 4-horse race: Aus SA NZ SL I don't see Eng and WI being serious contenders, and India will be crashing out tonight. So we pretty much have our semi-finalists here.

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