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    Only you could compare someone taking a sicky from work with downright lies as in this situation.
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    "Taking a sickey" is downright lies. That's what Gough has done and it's what virtually everyone has done at some stage or another.
    Just because you are virtuous beyond most doesn't mean you have the right to say Gough has comitted a crime no-one else has.
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    For crying out loud, how is missing 1 day's work the same as a month or so?

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    Rubbish, I'd be defending anyone if the situation was fit. It doesn't matter whatsoever whether Gough has lied, it doesn't make him a better or worse bowler.
    The fact is, you are criticising someone for lying about why time is taken off - not how long that time was. This is the same however long the time is.
    In any case - Gough has missed 5 ODIs. About the same as missing a day or 2 at work because you fancied a break or whatever.


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    As if we didn't know this before we went 3-0 down to India, I'd just like to say that as far as the World Cup goes, we're screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    As if we didn't know this before we went 3-0 down to India, I'd just like to say that as far as the World Cup goes, we're screwed.
    Don't worry, come next summer we'll win a game, then suddenly our World Cup preparations will be on great track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Only you could compare someone taking a sicky from work with downright lies as in this situation.
    Both of you are off the ball. Firstly, if he lied, so what? and secondly what he did is different to taking a sicky.

    England cricket maybe Goughs primary source of income but he is an independant contractor. He can choose any job he wants and is under no obligation to do something he is not interested in doing. Common courtesy may suggest he tells the truth as to why he does not want to take a particular job but he certainly doesn't have to. It is totally different to a guy not turning up for his 9-5 work. Its like telling a plumber/laywer/accountant that they must take a job no matter what they think about it.

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    I wasn't really comparing the actual taking-time-off-work thing, more the lying-about-taking-time-off thing.

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    1. Marcus Trescothick
    2. Andrew Strauss
    3. Michael Vaughan = Captain
    4. Kevin Pietersen
    5. Andrew Flintoff
    6. Paul Collingwood
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    That appears likeliest at this stage, indeed.

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    With Vaughan doubting his ODI future and Giles doubting his cricketing future, I'd say this is more likely (and not too bad):

    M Trescothick, I Bell, A Strauss, K Pietersen, A Flintoff, P Collingwood, G Jones, I Blackwell, L Plunkett, S Harmison / J Anderson, S Jones / J Anderson (because Harmison and Jones are also injury issues)

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    Harmison hasn't had that many injuries - him and Jones are more issues (as is Anderson) because none are proven quantities at ODI level.
    There'd be no point whatsoever in Bell (a middle-order player) opening and Strauss (an opener) batting at three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Harmison hasn't had that many injuries - him and Jones are more issues (as is Anderson) because none are proven quantities at ODI level.
    There'd be no point whatsoever in Bell (a middle-order player) opening and Strauss (an opener) batting at three.
    Except that Bell has played well just about each time he's opened the batting? And aside from cashing in against Bangladesh, Strauss hasn't been quite the same. Bell may be a middle/top-order batsman by upbringing, but he hasn't done much wrong opening the batting so far. To say that a "middle order" batsman who succeeds opening the batting is still an unfit opener is ridiculous. By the same measure, to say an "opener" who struggled opening and does better down the order is an unfit middle order player is lame.

    Strauss averages 23.92 opening against countries other than Bangladesh. Bell has scored 46 and 32 in his two chances opening against countries (just India) other than Zimbabwe. Not much, but he hasn't done much wrong yet.
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    I really fail to see how anyone could judge ANYTHING on those 2 outings, especially given that both came in dead games where the opposition were clearly struggling to rouse themselves.
    Bell is not an opener and it's highly doubtful that he ever will be. Strauss almost certainly isn't a ODI-standard opener, but he damn sure isn't any better anywhere else (yes, I know that his ODI-standard-team average is better at three and four, but only against West Indies).
    In the last 3 years we've seen Solanki, Vaughan, Geraint Jones and Prior be attempted to be turned into openers when they patently are not. The last thing we need, with so little time left, is another case.

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    Opening in ODIs is a pretty different prospect to tests. Mark Waugh was never an opening batsman, but he's one of the best ODI openers of all time. The same incidentally is true of Gilchrist, Lara, Astle and plenty of others.
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