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    Quote Originally Posted by STRAIGHT BREAKS View Post
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    I would rate Jones above Panesar. It's difficult to judge him accurately because Jones has played so little Test cricket and quite obviously has immense talent, just a shame he's had so many injuries really.
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    If Jones bowls as he did in 2005, he > Hoggard and possibly Flintoff and certainly Panesar on a non-turning pitch.

    If, however, he doesn't, he may be < all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Fifth in the WC then.

    Not to bad considering, we're not that good at ODIs.
    Might well have been worse had not Bangladesh and Ireland beaten India and Pakistan, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    I would rate Jones above Panesar. It's difficult to judge him accurately because Jones has played so little Test cricket and quite obviously has immense talent, just a shame he's had so many injuries really.
    Yeah, England have missed him massively.

    Here's hoping he is back in the reckoning for this Summer.


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    Because Bell is a far better #6 than Collingwood, while he would only be marginally better at #4. Therefore, to do what is best for the team Collingwood should play a #4 and Bell should be at #6, that's the way I see it.
    Bell is only better than Collingwood when up against rubbish bowling and under no pressure. Generally Collingwood > Bell.
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    As shown by this World Cup quite clearly.

    I distinctly remember that fine knock from Collingwood against Australia when England were 2 down very early on, especially in tandem with Bell not making it past 31 against any Test-playing nation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    As shown by this World Cup quite clearly.

    I distinctly remember that fine knock from Collingwood against Australia when England were 2 down very early on, especially in tandem with Bell not making it past 31 against any Test-playing nation...
    You mean where he got to 77, had the opportunity to do something that would make sure England would win/post a big total by going on like Collingwood does, but instead got out as Bell always does?

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    77, as in 2 and a half times what Collingwood's best against proper nations you mean?

    Unless of course you think that the Australian bowling attack is the worst, and it's the Canadians that really matter?

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    No, no, it's clearly the Irish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    77, as in 2 and a half times what Collingwood's best against proper nations you mean?

    Unless of course you think that the Australian bowling attack is the worst, and it's the Canadians that really matter?
    This would be Bell, the one that famously does sweet FA against Australia in Test cricket. Yes he'll be lucky enough to scrape the odd 50 occasionally, shame he's not good enough to make his good days count.

    When Collingwood has his good days he won matches for kept England in the CB Series, then won it for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    This would be Bell, the one that famously does sweet FA against Australia in Test cricket. Yes he'll be lucky enough to scrape the odd 50 occasionally, shame he's not good enough to make his good days count.

    When Collingwood has his good days he won matches for kept England in the CB Series, then won it for them.
    Yeah hopefully Bell doesn't end up with alot of 50's and very few 100's. It would be a shame. I think he has the potential to be a very very good player for you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    This would be Bell, the one that famously does sweet FA against Australia in Test cricket. Yes he'll be lucky enough to scrape the odd 50 occasionally, shame he's not good enough to make his good days count.

    When Collingwood has his good days he won matches for kept England in the CB Series, then won it for them.
    Show me where I have criticised Collingwood then?

    I haven't because IMO he should be in both England sides at the moment.

    However I question how you can build him up so much as you have over his World Cup and Ashes whilst simultaneously having digs at other players...

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